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Some ideas, in the software field o' things...

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japanimationfist wrote:Out of curiousity, what do you use to draw Jason?
I use Macromedia Flash. I've got an old version 5 that works just fine for me. The funny thing is that I've used it for illustration, web design, and even video animation, but never to make a .swf for a web animation. Heh. Everything but the designed purpose.

Flash started out as a simple art program called SmartSketch before its company got bought out by Macromedia. The cool thing about that underlying technology is that it lets you "paint" and erase with your pressure-sensitive stylus and tablet, and it saves it as vector art. (I'm sure this is a feature in other programs, but I just really like the way that it's implemented in Flash.) Which means--yes, Vince--that you never have to worry about dpi. The gif/jpeg/png export features in Flash are excellent from my experience, as good, if not better than the whole Adobe-Save-For-Web feature in photoshop.

Like any other drawing program, Flash works with an unlimited number of layers, but it puts these layers up in the timeline (remember, it's an animation program). I usually drag the timeline from the top of the window and make it a floating palette, and then stretch/shrink it so that it's in the position of a typical photoshop-layers palette. I'll create layers for pencils, inks, colors, words, etc., and then lock the others when I'm working on one layer.

(See this screen shot (88KB, 1024x768 pixels) to see what I'm talking about.)

While it's not immediately obvious, you can make layers invisible when they're exported, but it's not as simple as just making them invisible like photoshop layers (by clicking on the eye icon). You have to turn the layer into a "guide" layer (right click on it and choose from the pop-up menu), and then it won't show up in the final exported graphic.
gazorenzoku wrote:I am interested in doing the following:

1) Scanning in line work and changing it to a vector based graphic without changing the line variation in any way

2) Coloring the line work with flat colors

3) Being able to print or post a graphic on the web without worrying about dpi
Flash can also auto-trace/vectorize any bitmap you want to put in there (1), and you can tweak the tolerance levels to make it a very very tight fit (pixelly when zoomed) or a loose fit (very geometric and not always even close to what you drew) or anywhere in between. Flat colors would be ?ber-easy (2) because of the whole vectorpaint thing...you just use the paint bucket like any other paint program. And the whole process is naturally anti-aliased (if you choose for it to be) upon export, so (3) you don't have to worry about dpi at all.

(Sorry if I'm coming across as a salesman for Flash. It's just what works, and works well, for me.)

Wikkit, that sounds like a bum deal that Beez won't even SAVE. Sheesh. You can always try the 30-day, fully functional demo of Flash. ;)

(Sorry, couldn't resist that one!)

And I also found this, if any of y'all are teachers or students--SchoolWorld educational software discounts--they have the latest version of Flash here for only $99(!!!!!!!). Of course, you might have to be a full-time teacher/student to be eligible. More eligibility info is here. It looks like you might not have to be full-time to get the Adobe discount.

Looking forward to this week's 1HC. I may even try out Adobe Illustrator instead...

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wow.

I've wanted to try out Flash for some time now anyway, but I have been thinking about animation and website development, and not about using it as a vector based drawing program. But now it looks like the way to go....

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Hey, I did another one of these.

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Last night I had a slow bit at work, so I cranked out one of these. I won't be able to put it up until Monday, but I've only spent about 50 minutes on it so far, so I have 10 left... :wink:
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gazorenzoku wrote:I've wanted to try out Flash for some time now anyway,
. . .
But now it looks like the way to go....
Maybe I should become a salesman for Flash. ;) Seriously, though...don't take my word for it. I know some people who SWEAR by Adobe Illustrator instead. But since you can try either of them out for a good whole month for free, and since you (as a student) can get the super-low discount price, give 'em both a try to figure out which you like. I just like the way that Flash is so multi-functional and yet works like a normal paint program.
surlyben wrote:... I cranked out one of these.
Hey, welcome back, surlyben! You've been missed...seeing as you were the guy who kicked off this whole crazy brouhaha. Care to join the weekly-1HC club with Gazo, JpF, Wikkit, and myself?

(Yes, Bill, you can start rubbing your hands together with anticipitory world-domination glee.)

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...things actually got kind of busy today, so I wasn't able to get around to doing a 1 hr comic this week!! I might do one tomorrow, but I might not be able to do one until next week....

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to seeing the ones that get made this week.

Also, thanks for all the info!! I don't know if the student discount will work for research students, but I hope it does.

Thanks for all the info!

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That's okay...mine's disqualified...

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...on account of the facts that
(a) I had been thinking about this comic all morning long, and some of last week, so it's hardly improv, and
(b) it took me nearly two hours to get done ...
(c) what was only about one-fifth of the entire comic (85KB).

Oh well. Inspiration comes from the strangest places. I hope this doesn't seem too confusing in its unfinished state. I'm tempted to take the next few weeks' 1HC time to finish it if you guys'd buy off on that. (Even if it isn't the spirit of the game, insomuch.)

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Sorry you won't be joining us this weekend Vince. I did mine, but I made it small because it was my first time using a long panel like this, and I was afraid that the file would be huge. In retrospect, I think I should have gone about 50% larger, but I will remember that for next time... maybe I could make the panel out of smaller panels? Hmmm. Something to think about.

Please remember that this is all improv, so if the text sounds like cheese, it was what came to mind at the time.

Another one hour comic here.

P.S. I hope I set things up properly this time :roll:
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Wow! What you have done looks great Jason. Maybe we could do a They Might Be Giants themed Sunday sometime soon :)
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Thanks, Bill!

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Thanks, Bill! Your comic is cool, too...really evokes a mood. (I often dream I'm swimming or sinking as I'm falling asleep--especially when I'm sleep-deprived--so I thought it was particularly nifty.) What program do you use to make your strips again? Illustrator? Photoshop?

Can't wait to see Ben's (Wikkit's) and Ben's (Surlyben's) contributions...

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p.s.--Bill, I definitely agree that we should have a They Might Be Giants 1HC week, even if it defeats a bit of the improv-nature. (TMBG has so many songs...it'd be a lot of fun.) Vince, what do you think?
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I use macromedia's Freehand, and then export everythign throgh Fireworks, so I can play with stuff a little more. I wish I had Illustrator, but this seems to do the job.

As for TMBG, what about a webcomic jam, where people contribute comics for songs... we could do it in the jam section.
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Freehand: cool. I was going to try Illustrator with this one (webslices--whoa!), but I'm still stuck on the first pages of the manual ;j
japanimationfist wrote:As for TMBG, what about a webcomic jam, where people contribute comics for songs... we could do it in the jam section.
I dig it. But only if I get to lay claim to my new Numero Uno Favorite Song Of All Time, "Man It's So Loud In Here." Of course at my pace of illustration it might take me well into the next decade to get THAT done...

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(perhaps when it's done we can pitch it to john and john and see what they think.)
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I have been half reading this string ... the whole interaction intrigues me, but I worry because it usualy takes me three to five hours to draw a four panel comic strip on the computer to make it look presentable let alone something that actualy looks good. I could say to hell with the computer and any chance of making it look good and just use colored markers and hope it looks decent. Maybe I will give it a try next weekend.

Oh well, I do enjoy your comics that have been done here. Keep up the good work!
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Okay, okay, okay ... you talked me into it. I caved in and sat down at the computer and finaly drew one of these things. It was was kind of lame, but I did it, just to be a part of you little club. Here it is:
http://www.geocities.com/dalosttoy/100602.html
(this link has been fixed)

I can't say I will do this again next week. If i do, hopefully it will be better than this one.
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David,

The link led me to a non-existant page....
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I got the Yahoo "cannot find this page" notice too. Looking forward to reading it when it's up though. Keep us posted (and pardon the bad pun) :wink:
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If you type the address in manually, it comes up. I don't think yahoo likes outside links...

Mine is up at http://www.contretemps.net . I accidentally made it about twice the size I had intended, but if you view it full screen, and you are viewing 1024X762 or larger, you can still see the whole thing.

Oh well.

There's always next week. :)

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OK, I hated the size thing so much that I went back and fixed it... I also fixed a pacing issue while I was at it...
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Thanks for the heads up on David's comic. I typed it in manually, and read it this afternoon. Cool!

I also enjoyed your latest (I've enjoyed them all - though the one with the strawberries is still may favourite for the moment.... actually I really like the basement too... I may need to flip a coin here). Good stuff!

We're up to four this week. I wonder how big we can grow this before it gets unruly. I hope we find out.

In the meantime, I am already looking forward to next Sunday!

P.S. Jason, I started a thread in the webcomic jam section called THEY MIGHT BE WEBCOMICS to tell people about our other project. You can find it at: http://www.zwol.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5126#5126

I will post something about it on Talk About Comics too, but if you can think of anywhere else it might be appropriate, please pass it on. We'll see how many people we can get interested.
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Hey, my first mini-comic is now orderable online at:

http://www.gazorenzoku.com/shop.html

I also redid my top page, so things are a little more organized. You can find my one hour comic by clicking on the "online comic corner" button and then clicking on one of the text links below the "one hour comic" logo.

http://www.gazorenzoku.com/

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ok, I got one done this week:

http://www.gazorenzoku.com/one_hour_04.html

Contains nudity and adult language, so minors and those who do not want to see those things be warned.

Also, I have a page that links to all the one hour comics I've done so far at:

http://www.gazorenzoku.com/online_comics.html

can't wait to see the other stories. Oh yeah, I'm going on a 3 day road trip starting tomorrow. For anyone who knows anything about Hokkaido, we are going to a place called Akeshi to visit their clam festival. I have never been there before, and really have no idea where I'm going.... luckily the drivers in our trip do.....

so anyway, if I don't comment on your one hour comic for this week, it doesn't mean that I am too snobby or something like that. I just won't be here.

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Very interesting Vince, and it opens up some doors I hadn't thought of yet (recombining pre-existing images, etc.). I like.

Mine didn't come off quite as well as I would have liked this week. I was going for a reflective thing, but it didn't quite work. That, and I have some sort of anti-aliasing problem with stuff I draw in Fireworks, that annoys me to no end (but I don't know how to get rid of it).

Of course, it's an experiment: http://www.dunktank.ca/firetree.html
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Vince, Bill,

Howdy...haven?t done mine yet for this week. Just checking in to saz greetings from Praha (Prague), Czech Republik. Typing from an internet terminal that transposes the y and z and special characters and makes it very difficult to type ...

This is a GREAT citz == I mean city!

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Here I am again. I guess I am going to be doing this every week. I desided to write that comic about veggie burgers ... I only got half way through until I ran out of time. So, I guess I will finish the rest next week. Anyways, here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/dalosttoy/101302.html
(link is now fixed)

Bill, you stuff is growing increasingly more poetic. Sorry that the art didn't turn out like you hoped. Don't worry too much, every comic I post is not the way I wish it would turn out.
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Hah! That's funny David! I've been following the veggie thread too, and I think you've just woven the two threads together with that one. I like the style too - I have a terrible fondness for black sharpie markers, which was one of teh things that made moving on to the computer very hard. I'd be curious to see what happens from there... Will Bob eat the comic and read the veggie burger? ;)

Yeah, I wish that I knew a little more about the programs I am working with so I could avoid that little fuzzy thing that happens sometimes, but like I was telling Vince a few weeks back, this is a terrific place to experiment... and sometimes the experiments don't work, but that's okay too.

Before this year, I always thought of myself as a writer (I know that sounds like I'm full of myself, but bear with me). I wrote every day for thirty to forty minutes, first thing before work. I wrote poems, short stories, plays, etc, and I even had a short correspondance going with Ray Bradbury (one of my all-time favourites). Then a whole bunch of junk happened, and I stopped. I suspect that I started drawing because all of that energy needed to go somewhere.

Now I'm trying to weave the two together. It's a good fit, but it will take me awhile to get the hang of it. I'm workin' on it.

P.S. My piece is up at http://www.frightnight.org today. It's another Zombilly thing :)
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