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Penner Theologius Pott
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Mimi's last coffee Reply with quote

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uncomfortable scrolling up/down and left/right.

Jesus, how fucking lazy has the web made us?


For whatever reason, I just can't shake the feeling that you've said something really profound here.
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Necessity is the mother of invention, but laziness is the father.

Even so, gotta say, wanting a better interface doesn't equate to laziness.
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Mimi's last coffee Reply with quote

Penner Theologius Pott wrote:
William G wrote:
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uncomfortable scrolling up/down and left/right.

Jesus, how fucking lazy has the web made us?


For whatever reason, I just can't shake the feeling that you've said something really profound here.

I do that every once in a while.

And while I agree that the current method Scott is using does work wonderfully, it always saddens me to read comments on webcomics that include the idea that scrolling is a laborious task.

Then again, I'm from the Commodore 64 generation. If it's faster than a tape to load up, I see it as good and anyone who complains is a nancy-boy.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Mimi's last coffee Reply with quote

Penner Theologius Pott wrote:
William G wrote:
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uncomfortable scrolling up/down and left/right.

Jesus, how fucking lazy has the web made us?


For whatever reason, I just can't shake the feeling that you've said something really profound here.



I prefer this one. Of course, that may be because of my own proclivities.

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Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something.
Robert Heinlein, Time Enough For Love


Ain't that swell?

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Heinlein is the new L. Ron Hubbard.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

> The ending of Externality's Ninja v. Jesus thread certainly shows that
> you can make an indirect link between clicking on a small panel and
> viewing another larger one which is in a completely different location
> than the one on which you have clicked

I feel I should put my hand up here and own up - the end of Ninja Vs. Jesus required a chunk of code re-hacking on my part in order to get a zoom out larger than the size of the whole comic.

Everything else in Tarquin is drag and drop - you drag the artwork to where you want it and then drop a special panel over the top of it so that the engine can register the size and location of the panel.

Scott actually asked me how to implement an intermediate zoom for Mimi, but then he went and figured it out by himself before I got a chance to reply. Again, as he notes, it's all just more drag-and-drop-ness.

The big balancing act for me at the moment is making the engine a little bit more open to easy customisation without losing this simplicity of use.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I feel I should put my hand up here and own up - the end of Ninja Vs. Jesus required a chunk of code re-hacking on my part in order to get a zoom out larger than the size of the whole comic.

But it's not larger than the whole comic, it is the whole comic. The starting point just doesn't show the whole thing. I'm guessing that you did two things- First, you had to allow someone to define a "zoom-level" panel as the starting zoom; Second you had to allow clicking on one "zoom-container" panel to zoom to a different panel. If I've guessed correctly, both of these are very cool features. Does using any of this still allow for users to drag & drop to create this functionality?

This could be used for purposes other than that demonstrated in Externality. You could have branching comics that "jump" space- where the trail isn't obvious and the comic then pans a (relatively) great distance over blank territory to reach the next group of panels (crossing an ocean, so to speak-- leading one to think that Tarquin could be used to chart routes on maps). If panels are allowed not to have borders, something like the famous Zot! Online "falling panel" could be completely reinvented.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK- Is it just me or is there no "Mimi" update for today, May 17th? Did I miss or forget an announcement that there wouldn't be an update?
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 6:10 pm    Post subject: AAAAAARGH! Reply with quote

No, the panel was missing. Not because I didn't draw it in time. I FORGOT TO UPLOAD IT!!

I thought it was fine until I came home and Ivy asked my why there was no update.

I am the stupidest man alive today.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: "refreshing!" Reply with quote

all right, anybody else dig on the 1776 reference? ("my name is richard henry lee, virginia is my home!")
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're the first!

Yes, most assured-LEE, that was the source for the "missus" comment.

Always loved that musical. The image of cranky, disliked John Adams bellowing to an indifferent room has been a comfort on many a lonely crusade for Yours Truly.

Sad that De Silva didn't make it onto the Broadway cast recording (I'm told he was sick that day) but what a perfect Franklin he makes in the film.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: "refreshing!" Reply with quote

karenth wrote:
all right, anybody else dig on the 1776 reference? ("my name is richard henry lee, virginia is my home!")

I did! I did!

And it's sad to note that like most Canadians I catch more American cultural/historical references than I do Canadian ones.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also took notice. "And may my wife refuse my bed, if I can't deliver, as I said, a resolution on Independecy."
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooh... Now today's panel (non-Flash link) shows an interpretation of the title that I don't think we've mentioned here AND illustrates how many of us were assuming what the red-haired, coffee-drinking woman's name was.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only that, but the large panel may suggest that we might see more of Marv's story. Looks like things could definitely get more complicated.
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2004 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's hoping for some true crosswording. It would be interesting to see how well Scott can integrate different stories without preplanning (assuming that he hasn't planned all of this).
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our heroine just isn't getting any breaks, is she?
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mimi is turning into a Lifetime "Men Bad, Women Good" movie.

Several years ago, I was watching 1776 on TV, while coming down from a Forth of July acid trip that started in Central Park. I was like, "WOW! I didn't know John Adams and Thomas Jefferson could sing. Our founding fathers had some decent pipes." Needless to say, that was the last time that I ever dropped acid.

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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally! A random explosion!

I was waiting for that.... I knew it was inevitable.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mimi is turning into a Lifetime "Men Bad, Women Good" movie.


Oh, for heaven's sake. Surely you're not prepared to extract an agenda from the one relationship represented in the comic?
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"RESTRAINING" order, Mr. McCloud.

Nice work as usual
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was about to post saying that, though it appears to be an obvious typo for "restraining," there's a certain charm in the notion of a "retraining order" for an abusive spouse. (You know, as far as charm can be applied to abuse in any case.) I mean, ideally, you'd want the guy to be retrained to not be an abusive jerk, but not in some Clockwork Orange kind of way.

I vote that you leave it as is. If you didn't plan it and it is a typo, then you've got the redhead's next bit of dialogue- "You mean 'restraining' order, Doris," (or whatever her name is), or even the next branching bit of the story, where they discuss how the retraining would work (which could turn a little Clockwork Orange, I suppose).

And if you DID plan it, then all this is moot and we'll have to wait and see.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penner Theologius Pott wrote:
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Oh, for heaven's sake. Surely you're not prepared to extract an agenda from the one relationship represented in the comic?
No, just making a flippant observation. And don't call me Shirley.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, well. It seems as though the typo has been fixed. But, since the original panel still exists, maybe that can be a branch from the previous panel? When using a branching comic like this one, couldn't this panel still be used in it's original form? Maybe I'm just dreaming.

(Helpful forum tip, re: link from the Morning Blog today: There's a small blank page icon at the top of each post, to the left of the Posted date/time. This is actually a link to that exact post that can be used to link directly to that post. When linking this way, it's not a bad idea to also note the poster name and date of the post, because sometimes browsers don't scroll to anchors properly, depending on how fast the page is rendered, but still a useful way to link.)
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