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AidnaCalvert
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dbppres, your business tactic of setting incredibly bizarre restrictions and then getting increasingly freaked the hell out until you're gibbering about, "You're all flakes, shake 'em off, shake 'em off...New Mexico PD will never take me alive...flake writers flaking FLAKES," when people find those restrictions a bit odd, is apparently not working.
I personally would have tried to work around your odd schedule and restrictions because I understand that sort of thing, but my first contact with you was, after I added you and Yahoo simply didn't tell me you'd added me back, you PMing me talking about my BASEless PARANOIA (by the way, that little personality tic, the uppercase words to provide emphasis? Yeah, they make you look crazy). So when we actually started talking on Yahoo, I made a little throwaway joke about you wanting to show me your junk, and you summarily freaked out.
The sweet, beautiful Alanis Morrisette irony is that I, with my dick jokes, am way more professional than you, the MAN who is GIBBERING madly about PrOfEsSiOnAl BEhavioR.
I personally would have tried to work around your odd schedule and restrictions because I understand that sort of thing, but my first contact with you was, after I added you and Yahoo simply didn't tell me you'd added me back, you PMing me talking about my BASEless PARANOIA (by the way, that little personality tic, the uppercase words to provide emphasis? Yeah, they make you look crazy). So when we actually started talking on Yahoo, I made a little throwaway joke about you wanting to show me your junk, and you summarily freaked out.
The sweet, beautiful Alanis Morrisette irony is that I, with my dick jokes, am way more professional than you, the MAN who is GIBBERING madly about PrOfEsSiOnAl BEhavioR.
acekevin42: Howdy.
dbppres: F-- YOU
acekevin42: Hahahaha. Jesus. I was just going to tell you how you could really simply be perceived better with people.
acekevin42: It's really poor form to insult people publicly simply because they did not choose to work with you.
dbppres: they PROMISED to work with me, AND FLAKED, THATS what bothers me
dbppres: if they choose not to from the get go, thats NOT a problem
dbppres: just like YOU flaked, like a skittish schoolgirl, about using a webcam
dbppres: and insulted my character, about flashing penises,
dbppres: youre just as guilty of being a damn flakeout, as those others
dbppres: now politely GET THE HELL AWAY from me
acekevin42: No, I absolutely did not flake. I spoke to you for about ten minutes, after you PM'd me like a sociopath, and you were insisting on trying to cam RIGHT THEN HAVE TO DO IT NOOOOOOOOOW. Fact of the matter is I was on my phone. People like speaking to someone for more than a second before working with them.
dbppres: really? YOU DIDNT PROCEED WITH A PROJECT, now did you?
dbppres: you kept making BULLS-T EXCUSES
acekevin42: Um, incorrect.
dbppres: SON OF A B--H
dbppres: WE DIDNT GET ANYTHING DONE
dbppres: bewcause YOU KEPT SAYING NO NO i dont want to look
dbppres: it wasnt me who said it
dbppres: who did that leave
acekevin42: I thought your requirements were somewhat odd, but I was going to try and work with you. But then you went nuts, much like you are now.
dbppres: there were ONLY 2 OF US
dbppres: B ULLS-T
dbppres: YOU DIDNT TRY
dbppres: you didnt say OK lets TRY
dbppres: and then start describing anything
dbppres: so NO NOTHING was happening
dbppres: you DIDNT OK the webcam invite kevin
dbppres: THAT IS NOT STARTING
dbppres: or making a significant gesture
acekevin42: I spoke to you for about ten minutes. I was on my phone, as I mentioned, and could not accept the cam invitation.
dbppres: thats 10 DAMN MINUTES, of time, that could have been used for WORKING
dbppres: so, NEXT excuse
dbppres: and make it a legit one
dbppres: or FLAKE OFF
dbppres: and BOTHER SOMEONE ELSE
acekevin42: Wow. You are actually, like, clinically insane, aren't you?
dbppres: youre wasting my time
dbppres: thats DOESNT HAVE A DAMN THING to do with getting a project DONE, instead of ACTING LIKE A SCARED BITCH, about looking at a webcam
acekevin42: How do you get Yahoo IM from inside your cardboard box lined with your own feces, which you've collected in sandwich bags?
dbppres: so BUZZ OFF
dbppres: whatever man, YOU BITCHED OUT
acekevin42: So I mean, is this how you speak to everyone who talks to you and is not on webcam within 5 minutes?
dbppres: SHUT UP! IM WORKING WITH A WRITER NOW
acekevin42: Oh, the mangy dogs that walk by your box can write?
acekevin42: Lucky break!
dbppres: WRITE THESE NUTS ON YOUR FACE, FLAKE!
dbppres: F-- YOU
acekevin42: Hahahaha. Jesus. I was just going to tell you how you could really simply be perceived better with people.
acekevin42: It's really poor form to insult people publicly simply because they did not choose to work with you.
dbppres: they PROMISED to work with me, AND FLAKED, THATS what bothers me
dbppres: if they choose not to from the get go, thats NOT a problem
dbppres: just like YOU flaked, like a skittish schoolgirl, about using a webcam
dbppres: and insulted my character, about flashing penises,
dbppres: youre just as guilty of being a damn flakeout, as those others
dbppres: now politely GET THE HELL AWAY from me
acekevin42: No, I absolutely did not flake. I spoke to you for about ten minutes, after you PM'd me like a sociopath, and you were insisting on trying to cam RIGHT THEN HAVE TO DO IT NOOOOOOOOOW. Fact of the matter is I was on my phone. People like speaking to someone for more than a second before working with them.
dbppres: really? YOU DIDNT PROCEED WITH A PROJECT, now did you?
dbppres: you kept making BULLS-T EXCUSES
acekevin42: Um, incorrect.
dbppres: SON OF A B--H
dbppres: WE DIDNT GET ANYTHING DONE
dbppres: bewcause YOU KEPT SAYING NO NO i dont want to look
dbppres: it wasnt me who said it
dbppres: who did that leave
acekevin42: I thought your requirements were somewhat odd, but I was going to try and work with you. But then you went nuts, much like you are now.
dbppres: there were ONLY 2 OF US
dbppres: B ULLS-T
dbppres: YOU DIDNT TRY
dbppres: you didnt say OK lets TRY
dbppres: and then start describing anything
dbppres: so NO NOTHING was happening
dbppres: you DIDNT OK the webcam invite kevin
dbppres: THAT IS NOT STARTING
dbppres: or making a significant gesture
acekevin42: I spoke to you for about ten minutes. I was on my phone, as I mentioned, and could not accept the cam invitation.
dbppres: thats 10 DAMN MINUTES, of time, that could have been used for WORKING
dbppres: so, NEXT excuse
dbppres: and make it a legit one
dbppres: or FLAKE OFF
dbppres: and BOTHER SOMEONE ELSE
acekevin42: Wow. You are actually, like, clinically insane, aren't you?
dbppres: youre wasting my time
dbppres: thats DOESNT HAVE A DAMN THING to do with getting a project DONE, instead of ACTING LIKE A SCARED BITCH, about looking at a webcam
acekevin42: How do you get Yahoo IM from inside your cardboard box lined with your own feces, which you've collected in sandwich bags?
dbppres: so BUZZ OFF
dbppres: whatever man, YOU BITCHED OUT
acekevin42: So I mean, is this how you speak to everyone who talks to you and is not on webcam within 5 minutes?
dbppres: SHUT UP! IM WORKING WITH A WRITER NOW
acekevin42: Oh, the mangy dogs that walk by your box can write?
acekevin42: Lucky break!
dbppres: WRITE THESE NUTS ON YOUR FACE, FLAKE!
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AidnaCalvert
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dbppres
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matthewaos
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Hello, I am an amateur writter seeking for collaboration. I have a couple of stories finished, though some need a few modifications, and I am interested in halping you, in exchange for helping me. I am interesting in doing whatever works best, a web comic, a self financed hard copy, submiting the work, or all of the above. I do not have Yahoo but I have skype facebook and msn. You can reach me on facebook as matthew dakoutros. If you are interested, let's talk.
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dbppres
ok, i have to go back here, because SOMEONE can't take a little helpful intervention, when needed, to actually clear up an ongoing and needless difficulty in putting a project together.
now, on to my point, in regards to that thread about a "proper script";
have you startup writers, noticed, that the sample doesn't account for the specifics of characters' interactions, to each other, angle-of-view of the readers? I.E., direction of sight, gesturing, movement, wardrobe, etc? do you honestly want an artist to guess at that, and possibly make something that doesn't seem correct, and accurate with your visualization, without consulting you, step by step? personally, i would have a problem with that kind of disregard of my project idea.
so again, a webcam can AVOID that problem, the first time around, and keep things on the correct track to completion.
now, on to my point, in regards to that thread about a "proper script";
have you startup writers, noticed, that the sample doesn't account for the specifics of characters' interactions, to each other, angle-of-view of the readers? I.E., direction of sight, gesturing, movement, wardrobe, etc? do you honestly want an artist to guess at that, and possibly make something that doesn't seem correct, and accurate with your visualization, without consulting you, step by step? personally, i would have a problem with that kind of disregard of my project idea.
so again, a webcam can AVOID that problem, the first time around, and keep things on the correct track to completion.
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dbppres
to further prove a webcam's worth in a project, think about how INSTANTANEOUSLY things will be corrected, added, etc. versus waiting hours, days, or possibly longer, when email is chosen as the interaction vehicle between creative team members.
just see a webcam, for what it CAN be, as an effective, creative tool, not some plaything for lewd and lascivious misbehavior only.
just see a webcam, for what it CAN be, as an effective, creative tool, not some plaything for lewd and lascivious misbehavior only.
I don't usually want to overbear artists with too many minute descriptions of body positions, angles, etc. I make a general description of a panel; usually along with stick figure page layouts, and if I need a very specific angle or focus or whatever, I specify it.
That said, I usually ask that the artist uses my script or panel breakdown/page layout to draw a very rough version of the page, something like this. Then we discuss whatever changes need to be done, pencils are done, and if any changes are needed before inking, they're requested. Final result: this.
Maybe some artists like to have a writer micromanaging every step of their pencilling; but all artists I've worked with as a writer, and most artists I've interviewed as a radio host don't really like writers who are so micromanaging. Nagging, even.
That said, I usually ask that the artist uses my script or panel breakdown/page layout to draw a very rough version of the page, something like this. Then we discuss whatever changes need to be done, pencils are done, and if any changes are needed before inking, they're requested. Final result: this.
Maybe some artists like to have a writer micromanaging every step of their pencilling; but all artists I've worked with as a writer, and most artists I've interviewed as a radio host don't really like writers who are so micromanaging. Nagging, even.
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dbppres
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dbppres
It seems to me that you, dbppres, have a certain system of working in mind, that you are looking for a writer/collaborator to adapt to. But it also seems to me that this system comes with so many restrictions that it is going to be very difficult for you to find what you are looking for.
It has been my experience that a collaborative team, especially one at this level of experience/skill/professional level, has to meet each other half way and find a system that works best for them. Many factors go into how this can be affected, family commitments, work, etc. all play a legitimate part in slowing a project down, but that is the nature of the beast.
I can understand that you want to work in real-time with somebody, but I think you are scaring off a lot of potential partners with your 'all or nothing' stance. Frankly, you aren't doing yourself any favours with your attitude and the way you have treated others here. Reputation goes a long way in this biz, and you're rapidly earning yourself a fairly negative one.
I've no doubt you have your own reasons for the way you are acting and what you want to achieve and how you want to go about it. But I would suggest you go about it in another fashion, this way clearly isn't working.
It has been my experience that a collaborative team, especially one at this level of experience/skill/professional level, has to meet each other half way and find a system that works best for them. Many factors go into how this can be affected, family commitments, work, etc. all play a legitimate part in slowing a project down, but that is the nature of the beast.
I can understand that you want to work in real-time with somebody, but I think you are scaring off a lot of potential partners with your 'all or nothing' stance. Frankly, you aren't doing yourself any favours with your attitude and the way you have treated others here. Reputation goes a long way in this biz, and you're rapidly earning yourself a fairly negative one.
I've no doubt you have your own reasons for the way you are acting and what you want to achieve and how you want to go about it. But I would suggest you go about it in another fashion, this way clearly isn't working.
((Conversation diverted from the thread about writer's learning proper scripting form back to the thread that houses his webcam rant the most that I know of.))
As how he works does seem to pertain - albeit only minutely - to the writer's process, I will entertain one final reply to him - I am trying to help you dbppres - nothing else.
The thing you seem to be truly missing here, is that the writer doesn't, and shouldn't, have to tell you to draw every single detail or how to draw every single detail. If he says "traveling down a city street" do you expect him to literally tell you every storefront's name and description of every building and the camera angle and the number of "extras" in the background behind your main characters? If he says "in an amazonian rainforest" are you expecting him to describe the trees and the flora?
The answer you should give is no. The writer shouldn't have to tell you every little detail to draw. The only details he needs to include in his descriptions/script are the important story related ones. Your job as the storyteller is to present your ideas based on his script (the very fast thumbnails stage) and go from there.
All comic book illustrators are essentially actors, directors of photography, and production designers all rolled into one person. We deal in the expressions that make characters come alive. When in a script if a characters dialogue in that panel sounds like he's excited! then you draw the character as if he's excited! Poses, and all of the subtle body language and facial expression chemistry that help show what a character is going through. Then as a production designer we put together the backgrounds... the set's on which our actors play their parts. Finally as the DP (Director of Photography) we position our view on the scenes as to best portray the interaction between our characters. If for any reason after reading a script if you have questions about what the writer is trying to do - before you work on it - you can talk to them and ask questions. Finally comic book illustrators who only work on one page at a time are not working efficiently. While an editor peruses thumbnails for the first few pages you worked on you can start the next new batch of thumbs. When you get approved page layouts you can start your rough pencils - even if you draw page 5 first - you don't have to draw your pages in order.
Maybe you had a bad experience with a writer that led you to this whole "webcam" thing. What you are really doing is putting yourself in a position to fail on a whole new level of fail. The whole process by which you want to work is extremely limiting. A beginning level writer - which is who I assume you will be working with at the present - in all likelihood has a day job, or school, or both, and maybe even a family, possible more than one job, and a life outside of their desire to be a comic book writer. When they write - they put their ideas on paper as best they can and know that their artist can interpret their words and tell a story visually based off that - this is why they choose that artist... based on abilities that they have seen already in samples and past work. I have never heard of any professional in the business whether they be the friends I have that are working artists for DC, Marvel, Image, Boom, IDW, Dark Horse, Zenescope or the other Indy folk, work the way you are trying to.
Bottom line: the writer puts in to the script what's important. It's the artist's job as the storyteller (actor, DP, and prod designer) to fill in the rest of the blanks using logical reasoning and common sense based on the story details found in the script.
(edited to highlight my reply condition - and to change the word "hope" since it apparently sent the wrong message... your bottom line dbppres - stop talking about it like you feel you need to defend it and just do it if it works for you. we all don't want to hear about it. but try to keep an open mind how the rest of the world does it... there's an old saying "A billion Chinese people can't be wrong." Oh, and for the sake of all that's good and holy - learn how to use the "quote" feature.)
A reply to his attempt to hijack the script writing thread.your writer needs to be good enough to explain the story without you ever needing to be on a "webcam". (TannerArt)
do you see what you wrote there? THINK about what that truly entails, ok? a panel's composition is going to visually relate "the total sum of all details" in that panel, which means, as i've mentioned more than once, micro-scrutinizing all of the details. I.E. the direction of character concentration/focus, intended interactive direction of various actions, etc. THOSE details.
so no, im not trying to distract anyone from the importance of this subject, because i read that sample, and it IS missing some of those important little touches, that the writer visualized in his/her conception of their project, that will make it complete.
As how he works does seem to pertain - albeit only minutely - to the writer's process, I will entertain one final reply to him - I am trying to help you dbppres - nothing else.
The thing you seem to be truly missing here, is that the writer doesn't, and shouldn't, have to tell you to draw every single detail or how to draw every single detail. If he says "traveling down a city street" do you expect him to literally tell you every storefront's name and description of every building and the camera angle and the number of "extras" in the background behind your main characters? If he says "in an amazonian rainforest" are you expecting him to describe the trees and the flora?
The answer you should give is no. The writer shouldn't have to tell you every little detail to draw. The only details he needs to include in his descriptions/script are the important story related ones. Your job as the storyteller is to present your ideas based on his script (the very fast thumbnails stage) and go from there.
All comic book illustrators are essentially actors, directors of photography, and production designers all rolled into one person. We deal in the expressions that make characters come alive. When in a script if a characters dialogue in that panel sounds like he's excited! then you draw the character as if he's excited! Poses, and all of the subtle body language and facial expression chemistry that help show what a character is going through. Then as a production designer we put together the backgrounds... the set's on which our actors play their parts. Finally as the DP (Director of Photography) we position our view on the scenes as to best portray the interaction between our characters. If for any reason after reading a script if you have questions about what the writer is trying to do - before you work on it - you can talk to them and ask questions. Finally comic book illustrators who only work on one page at a time are not working efficiently. While an editor peruses thumbnails for the first few pages you worked on you can start the next new batch of thumbs. When you get approved page layouts you can start your rough pencils - even if you draw page 5 first - you don't have to draw your pages in order.
Maybe you had a bad experience with a writer that led you to this whole "webcam" thing. What you are really doing is putting yourself in a position to fail on a whole new level of fail. The whole process by which you want to work is extremely limiting. A beginning level writer - which is who I assume you will be working with at the present - in all likelihood has a day job, or school, or both, and maybe even a family, possible more than one job, and a life outside of their desire to be a comic book writer. When they write - they put their ideas on paper as best they can and know that their artist can interpret their words and tell a story visually based off that - this is why they choose that artist... based on abilities that they have seen already in samples and past work. I have never heard of any professional in the business whether they be the friends I have that are working artists for DC, Marvel, Image, Boom, IDW, Dark Horse, Zenescope or the other Indy folk, work the way you are trying to.
Bottom line: the writer puts in to the script what's important. It's the artist's job as the storyteller (actor, DP, and prod designer) to fill in the rest of the blanks using logical reasoning and common sense based on the story details found in the script.
(edited to highlight my reply condition - and to change the word "hope" since it apparently sent the wrong message... your bottom line dbppres - stop talking about it like you feel you need to defend it and just do it if it works for you. we all don't want to hear about it. but try to keep an open mind how the rest of the world does it... there's an old saying "A billion Chinese people can't be wrong." Oh, and for the sake of all that's good and holy - learn how to use the "quote" feature.)
Last edited by TannerArt on Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:44 am, edited 2 times in total.
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dbppres
tanner, you seem to keep forgetting the example of how i was corrected, for wrongly trying to take initiative on providing compositional details, in panels. that is why i ASK the writer for complete input, because it is THEIR project, NOT mine, so i am not entitled to assume things that possibly the writer does not want. it is about respecting their wishes.
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dbppres
If for any reason after reading a script if you have questions about what the writer is trying to do - before you work on it - you can talk to them and ask questions.(Tanner)
WHAT is more effective/effiicient than using video IM(instantaneous)? email?(minutes, hours, days, or worse, for a reply) texting still involves, stopping what you're doing, and typing it out, and having to wait for a "sent" confirmation to appear on the phone screen, or in case you have a phone that has no qwerty keyboard, it takes MORE time, to switch back and forth, between characters and numbers, which on average contain THREE letters per number key.
When they write - they put their ideas on paper as best they can and hope that their artist can interpret their words and tell a story visually based off that.(Tanner)
now, focus on the word "hope", which implies a risk of miscommunication. with a webcam, the risk is reduced to near non-existent. i keep insisting on this, because i BELIEVE in it's potential.
do the math, Tanner, which HONESTLY makes more sense?
WHAT is more effective/effiicient than using video IM(instantaneous)? email?(minutes, hours, days, or worse, for a reply) texting still involves, stopping what you're doing, and typing it out, and having to wait for a "sent" confirmation to appear on the phone screen, or in case you have a phone that has no qwerty keyboard, it takes MORE time, to switch back and forth, between characters and numbers, which on average contain THREE letters per number key.
When they write - they put their ideas on paper as best they can and hope that their artist can interpret their words and tell a story visually based off that.(Tanner)
now, focus on the word "hope", which implies a risk of miscommunication. with a webcam, the risk is reduced to near non-existent. i keep insisting on this, because i BELIEVE in it's potential.
do the math, Tanner, which HONESTLY makes more sense?
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dbppres
ok, all of you writers that keep posting ad's looking for artists. i have an actual offer to post something on another creator's site, IF i can provide 5 completed pages of storyline upfront, and then be able to release further episodes on a STABLE, CONSISTENT basis. that means, no sudden interruptions of said release schedule.
now, if you are serious about wanting to get started, and don't have your own ready-made project in mind, then i have a couple of concepts, that i would like to work on; the first one being about a young man, finding himself in constant battles with a hostile being, trapped within a parallel dimension, where the portal into and out of said dimension, is located in a neighborhood comic shop. the second one, is about a pair of aliens, sent to an imperial training camp, for a chance to redeem themselves, of their criminal pasts. the main characters, will be both escaped prisoners, and govt agents.
now, if you are serious about wanting to get started, and don't have your own ready-made project in mind, then i have a couple of concepts, that i would like to work on; the first one being about a young man, finding himself in constant battles with a hostile being, trapped within a parallel dimension, where the portal into and out of said dimension, is located in a neighborhood comic shop. the second one, is about a pair of aliens, sent to an imperial training camp, for a chance to redeem themselves, of their criminal pasts. the main characters, will be both escaped prisoners, and govt agents.
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dbppres
ok, after this last BS escapade, i'm going to make this real simple for you "writers" that contact me. if you want FREE/deferred payplan-based help, then when we FIRST make contact, is when we start on the intended project. if you want to delay, and want socialization first, then that kind of imposition on my time, will cost you, immediately payable, after completion of any/all artwork produced.
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dbppres
hey mod, WHY arent we allowed to post pics? anyway, here's a link to the album, with the samples.
http://vidguy12.multiply.com/photos/album/2
http://vidguy12.multiply.com/photos/album/2
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dbppres
ok, i'm FINALLY getting started on a webcomic, using the original-as well as some new-characters, from the '87 tv cartoon series "Tigersharks", so i need a writer that will stick their neck out with me, because i am going to be doing this, with or without WB's consent.
http://vidguy12.multiply.com , look for the "TShark comic" album, to see the first page sketched out.
http://vidguy12.multiply.com , look for the "TShark comic" album, to see the first page sketched out.