Here is a different opportunity for a aspiring comic book writer who is serious in wanting to actually write a script and story for an Indie comic. You'll join our already established team for our next book and write our next story based on our character . You'll work with the creator and writer of the series on script and story and give your input and comments to the artist as you see the artwork as it happens. When completed, your story will be published in our book, giving you full credit as the writer of the story.
So how is this going to happen?
Good question. And here's the answer.
Right now we have a Kickstarter where we are offering on one of our tiers a chance to write a story for our book if you become a backer. You'll get some nice rewards as well as the chance to write the story.
So if you're interested and serious about getting a chance to write a story for an already establish indie book, please visit the Kickstarter page. You'll find all the info there on reward package #9. Thanks so much.
Kickstarter is here: http://kck.st/1oV8O3d
Serious aspiring comic book writer wanted
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Yeeeeeah. Not that many writers in here don't already have to pay to work with artists, but paid for the chance to work with artists in the future? Maybe if you were marvel I'd give a little more leeway but....no, I'd be critical even if you were marvel, DC, or image. It's cool that you're trying to raise more money and all but this sounds like gambling to me, not an opportunity. And gambling when we don't know the odds. No offense, but if a wannabe artist wants to spend money to get into comics it probably is better if he or she hires on zwol on an artist and than submit. If you guaranteed work it'd be one thing, but this is more like paying to apply. Not exactly a good option when you don't offer any incentives to do so.
Sincerely,
Ruyei
[Edit. I'll keep this post up so people can see the thread's train of thought but I have changed my mind regarding PBJB's offer a few threads down. I no longer consider this opportunity something universally negative, in fact it could be an opportunity for people willing to take this risk.]
Sincerely,
Ruyei
[Edit. I'll keep this post up so people can see the thread's train of thought but I have changed my mind regarding PBJB's offer a few threads down. I no longer consider this opportunity something universally negative, in fact it could be an opportunity for people willing to take this risk.]
Last edited by Ruyei on Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Still confused
Yeah, I get that it benefits you to have a writer pay to work for you. But what's in it for the writer? I guess there's having your name credited to a piece of work, but any writer can do that without paying a penny.
I agree with everyone else. I'm a writer and I work with many artists on a free collaboration type of situation. I can take $120 and hire a pretty good artist off this board very easily and I would be able to write what I want. No offense, but you'd have to be pretty desperate to pay just to work on someone else's project like this...
Hey guys,
I understand your take on this.
It's not something you see everyday.
And yes - it sounds like I'm trying to take advantage of aspiring writers.
But I'm a writer myself, so there is no way that I would even consider in trying to do such a thing.
So I'll try to go over everyone's points of view as quickly as I can without repeating myself.
And please understand, I am not condoning your opinions or views, just trying to explain. Please don't take my comments as insults to you personally. I have no hard feeling against any of you and that's the least thing I want to do is start some sort of flame wars.
So here we go:
Ruyei made a comment that this is not an opportunity and one does not know the odds.
I'm not quite sure you looked at the project Ruyei, but what odds are you referring to?
I'm GUARANTEEING that your story will be published in the next book. There is no question about that. The writers will work with me on a script and story and I will help them along with whatever needs to be worked on. I don't understand how you feel this is like paying to apply and that there are no incentives to do so.
Are you sure you looked at the project Ruyei?
Do you understand what a Kickstarter is?
No one is paying to apply. What they are paying for is to get just about every reward that is offered in the Kickstarter along with the OPPORTUNITY to write a script and story and have it published in the next book. GUARANTEE.
louismoon made the statement that any writer can write a story and get credited for that piece of work and not pay a penny.
I agree with that. You can write your own story and receive the credit as you should and not pay a penny, but who's gonna read it? You still have to sell your idea of the story to an artists who is willing to do work on it. Then you have to promote the work and either find a publisher who is willing to take a chance on your work or self-published and spend many long hours promoting the finished product. What it all comes down to is, you still have to find an audience who is willing to read that story with your name on it.
Jojokuk made the comment that he works with many artists on a free collaboration situation. I think that's great if the artist is a close buddy or friend and as long as you both understand that you may not make much money off the copies you sell. But try pulling this off with a professional artist you don't know and I can pretty much guarantee when no money is coming in, that the working relationship between you and the artist will not last long. And no offense, but if an artist does work for free, they are not giving themselves enough credit and the writer or publisher are pretty cheesy for not coming up with the funds to pay them upfront.
As far as an aspiring writer being desperate to pay to work on someone else's project....
Guys - this is a Kickstarter. It's a way to raise funds in publishing a book that is already completed and ready to go the printers. Most people who help fund these projects understand that they are paying a little extra to help get the project going. The aspiring comic book writers who help fund this book that I am publishing understand that yes- they are paying a little extra. But in return, they are getting just about every reward that is offered in the Kickstarter. Including to write a script and story that I GUARANTEE will be published in the next book as long as the reaper of death doesn't get me first.
So I have to disagree that the aspiring writers who joins this Kickstarter are desperate. They are not. They saw a publication that they thought was cool and decided that this could be something fun to do. An experience that doesn't come along that often.They are serious about writing and actually want to write a script and story instead of just talking about it. They want to work with a team who is committed and already have experience in publishing with an already established staff of artists ( whom by the way, I pay upfront for their time and effort in creating the art ).
Anyway guys, thanks for taking the time to reply and give your views.
As I said, I just wanted to explain and let you know I have no bad feelings
towards you. It's good we can discuss this.
If my Kickstarter project is unsuccessful, and there's a chance it might be. I'll probably still invite those aspiring writers who wanted to help fund my book write a story for it. Probably even pay them.
Why?
Because they are exited about the project. They are excited about the characters and the stories that they could write and developed. They are serious. They just don't talk about wanting to become comic book writers, they actually want to do it.
I understand your take on this.
It's not something you see everyday.
And yes - it sounds like I'm trying to take advantage of aspiring writers.
But I'm a writer myself, so there is no way that I would even consider in trying to do such a thing.
So I'll try to go over everyone's points of view as quickly as I can without repeating myself.
And please understand, I am not condoning your opinions or views, just trying to explain. Please don't take my comments as insults to you personally. I have no hard feeling against any of you and that's the least thing I want to do is start some sort of flame wars.
So here we go:
Ruyei made a comment that this is not an opportunity and one does not know the odds.
I'm not quite sure you looked at the project Ruyei, but what odds are you referring to?
I'm GUARANTEEING that your story will be published in the next book. There is no question about that. The writers will work with me on a script and story and I will help them along with whatever needs to be worked on. I don't understand how you feel this is like paying to apply and that there are no incentives to do so.
Are you sure you looked at the project Ruyei?
Do you understand what a Kickstarter is?
No one is paying to apply. What they are paying for is to get just about every reward that is offered in the Kickstarter along with the OPPORTUNITY to write a script and story and have it published in the next book. GUARANTEE.
louismoon made the statement that any writer can write a story and get credited for that piece of work and not pay a penny.
I agree with that. You can write your own story and receive the credit as you should and not pay a penny, but who's gonna read it? You still have to sell your idea of the story to an artists who is willing to do work on it. Then you have to promote the work and either find a publisher who is willing to take a chance on your work or self-published and spend many long hours promoting the finished product. What it all comes down to is, you still have to find an audience who is willing to read that story with your name on it.
Jojokuk made the comment that he works with many artists on a free collaboration situation. I think that's great if the artist is a close buddy or friend and as long as you both understand that you may not make much money off the copies you sell. But try pulling this off with a professional artist you don't know and I can pretty much guarantee when no money is coming in, that the working relationship between you and the artist will not last long. And no offense, but if an artist does work for free, they are not giving themselves enough credit and the writer or publisher are pretty cheesy for not coming up with the funds to pay them upfront.
As far as an aspiring writer being desperate to pay to work on someone else's project....
Guys - this is a Kickstarter. It's a way to raise funds in publishing a book that is already completed and ready to go the printers. Most people who help fund these projects understand that they are paying a little extra to help get the project going. The aspiring comic book writers who help fund this book that I am publishing understand that yes- they are paying a little extra. But in return, they are getting just about every reward that is offered in the Kickstarter. Including to write a script and story that I GUARANTEE will be published in the next book as long as the reaper of death doesn't get me first.
So I have to disagree that the aspiring writers who joins this Kickstarter are desperate. They are not. They saw a publication that they thought was cool and decided that this could be something fun to do. An experience that doesn't come along that often.They are serious about writing and actually want to write a script and story instead of just talking about it. They want to work with a team who is committed and already have experience in publishing with an already established staff of artists ( whom by the way, I pay upfront for their time and effort in creating the art ).
Anyway guys, thanks for taking the time to reply and give your views.
As I said, I just wanted to explain and let you know I have no bad feelings
towards you. It's good we can discuss this.
If my Kickstarter project is unsuccessful, and there's a chance it might be. I'll probably still invite those aspiring writers who wanted to help fund my book write a story for it. Probably even pay them.
Why?
Because they are exited about the project. They are excited about the characters and the stories that they could write and developed. They are serious. They just don't talk about wanting to become comic book writers, they actually want to do it.
Correcting a mistake. Writers, weigh by your own merits
Hey PBJB and everyone. I'll go out and admit I made a mistake, yes I did indeed look at the kickstarter (and understand what a kickstarter is) and I misunderstood the odds of getting published in the future book. Truthfully, it appears it is a guarantee. However, I still do have reservations about the project, though they are no longer as "one-sided" so to speak. I will go over the good and the bad.
Think of it, you want to get into the industry and/or you want to make a comic. I can almost guarantee through experience that it is VERY hard to find an artist who has one of the threes, quality, expedience, and cheapness. That is to say, if you want an artist who will deliver a quality page at a speed less than a page a month without paying (If not less than that and a drop out) you have a rather low chance of success that can only be remedied by perseverance (a quality I have developed over the years). And by perseverance, it has taken me years to develop a solid network of artists and to develop a high success rate for my comics in terms of finding good collaborators.
This is where money comes in. On Zwol or another site you can bay an artist for a professional just both in how quickly the project gets done and how good it is. I'd say the average is 50$ a page. This adds up when you get in an 8-12 page chapter to serve as your project pitch. So conservatively speaking that's 400-600 dollars if everything goes smoothly and you don't ask an artist to redo a page or do a page that takes more time than usual. So yes, very expensive. This publisher is offering a chance to publish with them and essentially create a comic for 130$. If this isn't discount I don't know what is.
Now for the negatives. You're going to be asked to perhaps write in the style and world of another person, which is difficult, but then again so is creating your own world. The publisher is saying that he will assist in the process of writing for them but still, this is a gamble. You are going to have less freedom than if you were working on your own. And even if you do go through with this you may just do one script and not be hired again to work on the comic. Sure compared to 400-600$ this is a steal, but as the publisher says, this is for serious artists only who are doing this not for fun but to gain experience, slight notoriety, and essentially the chance for a foot in the door. However you should ask yourself, "Do does the quality of this comic meet my standards?" From what I can see the comic is fairly old school, reminding me of the old Conan comics. Perhaps not what I'd want to work on myself, but it is something perhaps you aspiring writers should take into account. This is not only a risk, but you must decide whether you WANT to be working with this publisher.
I apologize for not completely understanding the post (Your response was quite scathing PBJB, man were you pissed at me) and I have definitely been convinced that for some people this might be what you want to do if you're just starting out and want some guidance. For those of you who are perhaps further down the road this chance may not be a good enough risk for you guys. I know I myself am not confident this project is worth it for me. Still, it is a discount from the price it usually takes to create a professional comic and definitely worth one's consideration.
Apologies PBJB for misunderstanding. I'll edit my previous post if I can to take a look at my own correction. This is certainly an "opportunity" but it does have a risk value everyone should weigh for themselves. I myself am quite happy doing what I am doing.
Sincerely,
Ruyei
Think of it, you want to get into the industry and/or you want to make a comic. I can almost guarantee through experience that it is VERY hard to find an artist who has one of the threes, quality, expedience, and cheapness. That is to say, if you want an artist who will deliver a quality page at a speed less than a page a month without paying (If not less than that and a drop out) you have a rather low chance of success that can only be remedied by perseverance (a quality I have developed over the years). And by perseverance, it has taken me years to develop a solid network of artists and to develop a high success rate for my comics in terms of finding good collaborators.
This is where money comes in. On Zwol or another site you can bay an artist for a professional just both in how quickly the project gets done and how good it is. I'd say the average is 50$ a page. This adds up when you get in an 8-12 page chapter to serve as your project pitch. So conservatively speaking that's 400-600 dollars if everything goes smoothly and you don't ask an artist to redo a page or do a page that takes more time than usual. So yes, very expensive. This publisher is offering a chance to publish with them and essentially create a comic for 130$. If this isn't discount I don't know what is.
Now for the negatives. You're going to be asked to perhaps write in the style and world of another person, which is difficult, but then again so is creating your own world. The publisher is saying that he will assist in the process of writing for them but still, this is a gamble. You are going to have less freedom than if you were working on your own. And even if you do go through with this you may just do one script and not be hired again to work on the comic. Sure compared to 400-600$ this is a steal, but as the publisher says, this is for serious artists only who are doing this not for fun but to gain experience, slight notoriety, and essentially the chance for a foot in the door. However you should ask yourself, "Do does the quality of this comic meet my standards?" From what I can see the comic is fairly old school, reminding me of the old Conan comics. Perhaps not what I'd want to work on myself, but it is something perhaps you aspiring writers should take into account. This is not only a risk, but you must decide whether you WANT to be working with this publisher.
I apologize for not completely understanding the post (Your response was quite scathing PBJB, man were you pissed at me) and I have definitely been convinced that for some people this might be what you want to do if you're just starting out and want some guidance. For those of you who are perhaps further down the road this chance may not be a good enough risk for you guys. I know I myself am not confident this project is worth it for me. Still, it is a discount from the price it usually takes to create a professional comic and definitely worth one's consideration.
Apologies PBJB for misunderstanding. I'll edit my previous post if I can to take a look at my own correction. This is certainly an "opportunity" but it does have a risk value everyone should weigh for themselves. I myself am quite happy doing what I am doing.
Sincerely,
Ruyei
No worries Ruyei. I understand your point of view from someone who has already worked with artists and have published and what not. You're right, this is not for everyone and something for that someone who would like to just get the experience of what it's like to work with a small team. Also, as you said, this does looks like something like Conan the Barbarian, old school style, and that's what I was going for when creating the character and stories. Not everyone likes this sort of stuff, so yes - it helps if you like this genre.
Anyhow, thanks Ruyei. Didn't mean to sound upset in the previous post, but I guess it was coming off like that.
Good luck with your work and let me know what kind of comics you're doing. Always interested in what other creators are doing.
We're all in this together.
Best- PBJB
Anyhow, thanks Ruyei. Didn't mean to sound upset in the previous post, but I guess it was coming off like that.
Good luck with your work and let me know what kind of comics you're doing. Always interested in what other creators are doing.
We're all in this together.
Best- PBJB