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The Project:

I'm in need of a writer/collaborator on a superhero novel. The story is a what if the Avengers had takien on the Justice league. Yes, I know that Marvel owns the Avengers and DC owns the Justice League. My storyline features characters based upon those created by Marvel and DC. The names are different and original, but at the same time it's easy enough to identify them with their counterparts from DC and Marvel.

The Writer:

The writer will help create a synopsis of the story based on an outline that has already been finished. Then we wil work on the novel which I estimate to be about 320 pages.

The Payoff:

The writer will recieve 50% ownership for all rights which includes derivative materials such as movies, video games, comic books, and action figures.

Contact:

Please send all emails, messages, and any other enquries to the following address: skeletoncrew79@yahoo.com

Kinda feels like too much of a rip off of marvel characters to me, my advice would be to remove all mention of marvel or dc and give more detail to the characters and plot.

Take a note from Alan Moore's book, make the characters familiar but still original as was done in the Watchmen. For example you might make a character inspired by spiderman but unlike the marvel version make him really skinny and nerdy to the point of him wearing glasses into combat and making physics jokes. What I mean is to take the base characteristics and add to them to make them original while still keeping their familiarity. And definitely make the story MORE than just two superhero teams fighting, add some depth to it like a cold war atmosphere and history between the superhero teams

I agree with naffslack, you can use that idea as a launching point but you need to develop it much further to make it unique. Simply making stand-in characters won't work in my opinion.

Sincerely,
Ruyei/Robert

I was actually inspired by Robert Kirkman's Guardians of the Globe. Now bare with me for a moment while I explain why I went with fake Justice League against fake Avengers. Imagine if DC and Marvel worked out a deal where they would release a movie with the Justice League taking on the Avengers. That would be a huge deal. People would go nuts. Mainstream audiences who are going to see superheroe movies don't read comics. Nor do people who read novels. There hasn't been a breakout superhero novel. By that, I mean a New York Time's bestseller. I think it can happen with my book. The reason I went with a novel is that I want to retain all rights to the material. The same can't be said about the comic book industry. Most of it is still work-for-hire. Most of the publishers for creator-owned are Indie comics that sell around 20, 000 copies, or less. And most of the profits goes to the publisher, not the creator. That sucks. I'm in the business of making money. So thast's why I went with a novel. And then there is the storyline. Marvel and DC will never team up like this. I doubt if they will ever team up even in comic books again.

Oh wow, I didn't catch that the first time around...that you were going for a novel at least. Honestly I don't think this is the best place to find a ghostwriter and besides your story sounds a lot like fan-fiction to me, and from what I see if you make the characters too similar you can get sued. I'm of the school that believes that you should come up with one's own characters not continue where someone left off. For that reason I have an issue with the standard comic industry which works off established franchises as a status quo, mostly because I believe many hands spoil the pot. Not that there aren't good superhero comics out there, I particularly like many of the graphic novels which are self contained, but I feel the industry needs a rebirth where there are more original story-tellers like Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore (Yes I know they've done a fair bit of using other people's characters too but their original stuff is awesome). Still, though I disagree I wish you the best of luck with your project. I would HIGHLY recommend that you learn how to write yourself rather than get someone to do it for you but I digress in that as a scripter I ask other people for help all the time for the art aspect and there is something to be said for collaborative media. I strongly suggest that you find a different concept for legal and creative purposes but that's just my opinion. Who knows you may be right.

Sincerely,
Ruyei/Robert

This isn't a ghostwriter deal. Whoever gets picked will recieve equal 50% share of everything. As for the storyline (Which I haven't even posted) is closer to Watchmen interms of ripoff factor. As for me writing it; I'm more of an idea man. Hate to admit it, but I'm very similar to George Lucas. I'm just willing to admit it.

...if you're George Lucas' doppelganger, why are you here? I don't recall Mr. Lucas ever piggy-backing a franchise such as the one you're describing.

Create something new. And heed the advice in this thread strongly, as it is sound.

Actually, Goerge Lucas piggybacked several franchises such as Dune, Lensmen, and Jack Kirby's New Gods in his making of Stars Wars. Plus he had plenty of help developing the first Star Wars movie. Also, Alam Moore used the Charlton comics to create Watchmen. And heed what advice? I have yet to post the storyline, so how can anyone give advice on something they haven't even read?

You mean to say, George Lucas ADAPTED those great works into his interpretation.

You are simply wanting to take established literary characters from two Publishing giants, strip the characters down and package it so they appeal to whom? You aren't even sure what your target audience would be.

George Lucas is a Writer/Director... he physically creates, you don't even write. So, what is it you do exactly?

Oh, that's right. "Idea Man" ...ideas based off of a TWO well established preexisting ideas.

Funny how you twist everything to serve your own opinion.. Begone, fanboy, begone!

Look, just because you posses the ability to access the internet... doesn't mean you should. Breathing air is the only thing you have in common with Mr. Lucas.

Likening yourself to George Lucas is absurd. A lot of people come here to make comics and are serious about the craft. I won't have some troll make a mockery of it.

Gary, I say to you. Go back to writing terrible articles about the WWE you crustacean.

http://www.twnpnews.com/columns/messages/4676.shtml

How did you know I was Seth Malice? You must have done serious research to find that out, or you hacked my computer? i really like to know how you found out that I was Seth Malice. Since you know so much then you would know it was the most read column in the eary 2000's and i had a legion of readers. All I wanted do here is find a writer to help me with my project. That's it. I didn't come here for debates over my ideas. Your the cruel Troll not me. Since you know so much about me, then you also know that I have Schizophrenia and had to give up my wrestling column. But keep it up with the insults. Your messages say a lot more about you, then they do about me.

Honestly a lot of things when boiled down to their base plots sound simply terrible. Think of the Hulk which is a blatant rip-off of Dr. Jekyl/Mr Hyde and Watchmen (Which Jedi mentions) which started as just another interesting way to use the Charlton comic characters. This project is still in its pre-planning stages and could become something unexpected, though I do admit that as underdeveloped as this concept that you should have waited Jedi before posting. First impressions can really hurt you. It seems that you essentially want to another Watchmen which is a lofty and worthy goal and I wish you all the best, but I do think you could have advertised this better as a story that would be a homage to the characters rather than just rip-offs.

Even if I found nothing to like about your endeavor I would wish you luck anyway. Different strokes for different folks really and you're not hurting me nor anyone else by following your dreams. I do strongly suggest that you write it yourself or even BETTER offer a page rate. I know you want to be a producer and guide the project but you're asking a person to essentially come up with the core of the project for you, that's a lot of work. In this writer's humble opinion your only chance to get your project developed lies within yourself alone or in your willingness to pay a writer. Script writer's pay artists all the time and I'm sure you'll find an writer willing to take on that role as well if you make it worth his while (Not me though, I'm busy with my own stuff). I am of the opinion that what you're doing may be something I don't approve of but I think that just because I don't like it doesn't mean that another won't. Just because you feel this guy has a terrible idea doesn't mean that he deserves this abuse. I personally believe that this idea just needs development before it can shine. I'm not a big superhero fan and it takes a LOT for me to condone such a project but who knows, I may be surprised.

Peace out.
Ruyei/Robert

Thanks for the comments, Robert. i really appreciate them. After careful thought I think i'll be tweaking the project a bit. i have two writers on the fence about doing the novel. They have their concerns, which I totally understand. Hopefully, i can work this out. I'm just following my dream. Thanks again.

Yes, by all means. Follow your dreams. But what you'll find in the pursuit of happiness is that your ideas will be rejected. You'll receive the truth, often, and it will sting. But you'll grow and move on. But when you compare yourself to George Lucas you cannot be taken seriously. And I will not contradict myself and enable what I feel is a bad idea as Robert has most dutifully done. I feel that's causing more harm than good.

A bad idea is one thing but comparing yourself to a creative legend with absolutely no merit is not productive. Swaddling you in a false blanket of praise continues the cycle of mediocrity and I expect more out of you.

You should want more from your peers and the honest truth too and that's what will help you to succeed. Not blowing on your bobo when you skin your knee. You've got to have rhinoceros skin if you're to be a successful creative.

Toss out another idea, I'll brainstorm, I'll offer writing tips... But you'll get the truth, albeit my opinion.

I know all about rejection. I was turned down three times by the WWE, despite writing the most read column on the net. All ego aside. I was turned down by TNA Once. My first novel was turned down by every publisher out there. The two wrestling companies i worked for and enjoyed went out of busniess. Then i got the biggest kick in the pants with the schizophrenia. I won't. . .I refuse to give up on my dreams. I found a great writing partner for my Star Wars rpioff. I won't get into it because i'd get a whole new wrath of Lucas.

Well good luck, man. May your dreams find you at the precise moment you're ready for them to manifest.

But why would the Justice League get into it with the Avengers???

I mean they are both the good guys...

I (personally) would think it be more of an example to say... and this is off the top of my head... that Magneto and his cronies were up to no good and caused some sort of paradoxical rift in the universe, causing a merging of DC and Marvel.

The two teams meet up, and then both of them believing that the others were behind the rift, then started at it... but ultimately realising, along with the X-Men that it was Magneto all along.

They then work with each other to bring him down, but all rub each other up the wrong way... Obviously not using the real characters...

Just an idea.

I remember reading a xmen vs justice league crossover as a kid and I'm sure there've been other crossovers.

I don't want to give away too much of the plot, but the Justice League and the Avengers are basically kidnapped from their version of earth. The heroes are transported to another planet for which they are forced to battle each other. If they refuse, then their homeworld will be destroyed.

This is beyond dumb. You seen like a ridiculous character boasting about the most read WWE post on the net and your idea is just that of a six year old's pretend playtime on the schoolyard. I'm sorry but the idea is just too overly simplistic and you come across as having no insight in how to write and lack the creativity (original ideas and not stealing concepts) to pursue such projects. I'm not one to tell anyone to give up on their dreams but honestly just come up with something more original than this for this is the exact kind of thing that has rejection written all over it

Why is this still important? Most likely this guy has found his writer and moved on.

-Ruyei/Robert