http://www.gutterflycomix.com has just launched their web site bringing new ideas about web comics to the internet. You wont find your traditional online comic here, right now there is no panel art up yet, but the comic has indeed begun, check us out and read our prolog to get the skinny on the back story and keep checkin' in for more comics...
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So.
Um.
Ah. There it is. Ah. Nope. That wasn't it.
(Why a new window with each click? $ killall netscape $ netscape&)
Here we are. Well. I couldn't find it. But I did find lots and lots of windows, none of which seemed helpful. Would it be too much trouble to sort of organize everything so that you don't have to click to get into the site, and that the feature is immediately obvious instead of buried in the news, and is something other than light-text-on-black (useful for only very spare text; if it's a white paragraph on black background--I will not read it), and doesn't open yet another window just to get to it?
I find sites that do this don't encourage me to come back.
Um.
Ah. There it is. Ah. Nope. That wasn't it.
(Why a new window with each click? $ killall netscape $ netscape&)
Here we are. Well. I couldn't find it. But I did find lots and lots of windows, none of which seemed helpful. Would it be too much trouble to sort of organize everything so that you don't have to click to get into the site, and that the feature is immediately obvious instead of buried in the news, and is something other than light-text-on-black (useful for only very spare text; if it's a white paragraph on black background--I will not read it), and doesn't open yet another window just to get to it?
I find sites that do this don't encourage me to come back.
--Scott
www.archosaur.org
www.archosaur.org
Apparently some people do not take well to innovation. The comic isn't your garden variety draw some pages, scan EXACTLY what's on paper and throw them up online and call them web comics....if you were looking for panels and the same old stuff you see from most web comics, then your right you won't find it, just keep surfing, but hey thanks for checking out the site.
Thanks,
Thomas Clemmons
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I love inovation, but opening new windows all over the place tends to annoy people -revolutionary content is all well and good, but if your site design turns people off from repeated visits then no one is ever going to see it.
Some of Scott's criticisms seem valid to me - you might try listening to his suggestions rather than dismissing them out of hand as coming from someone who doesn't 'get' what you're trying to do (personally, I don't have any problem with your text colours but overall I did find the site rather hard to navigate in places).
In terms of content, I'd say it's a bit early to judge since you've only got your prelude up at the moment. That being said, what you have got up so far reads like a pretty classical piece of hyperfiction to me - I didn't see much sign of comics whether they be web, E, hyper or otherwise. Any idea when the first full episode goes live? I'll be interested to see where things develop from here.
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Some of Scott's criticisms seem valid to me - you might try listening to his suggestions rather than dismissing them out of hand as coming from someone who doesn't 'get' what you're trying to do (personally, I don't have any problem with your text colours but overall I did find the site rather hard to navigate in places).
In terms of content, I'd say it's a bit early to judge since you've only got your prelude up at the moment. That being said, what you have got up so far reads like a pretty classical piece of hyperfiction to me - I didn't see much sign of comics whether they be web, E, hyper or otherwise. Any idea when the first full episode goes live? I'll be interested to see where things develop from here.
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Thomas wrote:
'Apparently some people do not take well to innovation.'
Sorry, Thomas, I have to side with Scott on this. Innovation is not the word to use here. I visited your site, and was greeted by a 'blog' that had links that went nowhere. I do want to see your 'innovative' work... but it's nowhere to be found. (I'm working with Explorer on a Mac). This is a classic case when one medium (e-comics) has to harmonize with another medium(web-page design). When considering webpage design, remember the two golden rules: Design and Usability. Suggestion: Lose the frames, introduce words/buttons on the home page that actually opens the work. What art I have seen looks good, I'd love to read your innovative work... but I have to find it first. Also: Thomas; if you are going to expose your work to the rest of the planet, develop a thick skin... always be open to criticism... all of it is not bullshit. Be a sponge. Soak up the stuff that is truth, and dispel the rest. Grow from it.
'Apparently some people do not take well to innovation.'
Sorry, Thomas, I have to side with Scott on this. Innovation is not the word to use here. I visited your site, and was greeted by a 'blog' that had links that went nowhere. I do want to see your 'innovative' work... but it's nowhere to be found. (I'm working with Explorer on a Mac). This is a classic case when one medium (e-comics) has to harmonize with another medium(web-page design). When considering webpage design, remember the two golden rules: Design and Usability. Suggestion: Lose the frames, introduce words/buttons on the home page that actually opens the work. What art I have seen looks good, I'd love to read your innovative work... but I have to find it first. Also: Thomas; if you are going to expose your work to the rest of the planet, develop a thick skin... always be open to criticism... all of it is not bullshit. Be a sponge. Soak up the stuff that is truth, and dispel the rest. Grow from it.
Ok,maybe my response to Scott's post came across wrong and if that is the case please give me another chance to clarify.
To begin with I assure you I was not just dismissing Scott as bullshit or anything else, if that had been the case I would not have responded, I responded in the way I did because in contrast to other feedback I have been getting his remarks didn't seem founded. Until now I havn't had anyone comment on the pop ups being annoying or intrusive and certainly haven't had any remarks about text color or navigation problems either, that is not to say that his critique wasn't resonable, but at times it's hard to tell who is truly trying to be helpful and who just likes to bitch on message boards and it seems I made a bad judgement call about his comments because some of you have some of the same comments.
I had been reading other message boards and alot of the hot debates centered around download wait time, so I saw using pop ups as a way to maybe cut out a little on the just sit there and wait tactic alot of other sites use. Using pop ups for big graphic pages lets the reader minimize the window or send the window to the background and check out the other parts of the site that don' take long to download. Not only that but I did really believeitwouldmake it a bit easier to navigate by letting the reader simply close the window when he/she was finished with it and be right back at the page they got the window from.
As for navigation, well I don't really see how to make it any simpler to navigate, and update for that matter, and keep it looking fairly pleasing to the eye. I thought frames would be alot easier to deal with instead of just straight one page html, it makes it quicker to download certain parts of the page without having to wait for the same graphics to load again on another page. Cdoc, I personally use a dial up to access the internet from home and the site navigates and loads very well, I run on a 28.8 modem and I feel that that is scratching the bottom of the barrel as far as connection speed goes and I use that as a basis to go from as to how well or fast a page or site will function.
When I do design sites I do keep in mind design and usability, but I ask this question, and I sincerely mean this, where do we as creators draw the line? In the past 10 years internet technology has grown by leaps and bounds and yet some people, keep in mind I am not specifically talking about anyone on this board, want designers to continue to design to the extreme lowest common denominator at the expense of our art. Is this the correct path to take or do we as creators have the right to honestly move on and leave the lowest common denominator behind if they refuse to keep pace with the rest of us? I am not bringing this up to be rude or dismissive I really would like to have some thoughts on this, because if I' wrong in this thinking I' like to know so I can change it.
And lastly, yeah I' finally finished
, I' like to say that I have been a professional commercial artist for about 10 years now and understand about having a thick skin, i didntrealize my ealier post may havecome across offensive, I appolagize if it did, but on the net its hard todeciferthe truth from the rest at times as Sandysuggested I do. Its not my intention to piss people off or have them think im a close minded idiot either. I welcome all critiqes good or bad and even Scott's Thanx for checking out the site and taking time to post about it and I certainly will take all of your suggestions and comments into consideration when the next site revamp comes around.
Thanx,
To begin with I assure you I was not just dismissing Scott as bullshit or anything else, if that had been the case I would not have responded, I responded in the way I did because in contrast to other feedback I have been getting his remarks didn't seem founded. Until now I havn't had anyone comment on the pop ups being annoying or intrusive and certainly haven't had any remarks about text color or navigation problems either, that is not to say that his critique wasn't resonable, but at times it's hard to tell who is truly trying to be helpful and who just likes to bitch on message boards and it seems I made a bad judgement call about his comments because some of you have some of the same comments.
I had been reading other message boards and alot of the hot debates centered around download wait time, so I saw using pop ups as a way to maybe cut out a little on the just sit there and wait tactic alot of other sites use. Using pop ups for big graphic pages lets the reader minimize the window or send the window to the background and check out the other parts of the site that don' take long to download. Not only that but I did really believeitwouldmake it a bit easier to navigate by letting the reader simply close the window when he/she was finished with it and be right back at the page they got the window from.
As for navigation, well I don't really see how to make it any simpler to navigate, and update for that matter, and keep it looking fairly pleasing to the eye. I thought frames would be alot easier to deal with instead of just straight one page html, it makes it quicker to download certain parts of the page without having to wait for the same graphics to load again on another page. Cdoc, I personally use a dial up to access the internet from home and the site navigates and loads very well, I run on a 28.8 modem and I feel that that is scratching the bottom of the barrel as far as connection speed goes and I use that as a basis to go from as to how well or fast a page or site will function.
When I do design sites I do keep in mind design and usability, but I ask this question, and I sincerely mean this, where do we as creators draw the line? In the past 10 years internet technology has grown by leaps and bounds and yet some people, keep in mind I am not specifically talking about anyone on this board, want designers to continue to design to the extreme lowest common denominator at the expense of our art. Is this the correct path to take or do we as creators have the right to honestly move on and leave the lowest common denominator behind if they refuse to keep pace with the rest of us? I am not bringing this up to be rude or dismissive I really would like to have some thoughts on this, because if I' wrong in this thinking I' like to know so I can change it.
And lastly, yeah I' finally finished
, I' like to say that I have been a professional commercial artist for about 10 years now and understand about having a thick skin, i didntrealize my ealier post may havecome across offensive, I appolagize if it did, but on the net its hard todeciferthe truth from the rest at times as Sandysuggested I do. Its not my intention to piss people off or have them think im a close minded idiot either. I welcome all critiqes good or bad and even Scott's Thanx for checking out the site and taking time to post about it and I certainly will take all of your suggestions and comments into consideration when the next site revamp comes around.Thanx,
Thanks,
Thomas Clemmons
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Thomas:
Re: your 28.8 modem: How much of your work resides on your PC? Any of it at all there (which I assume all of it is there) will enhance via cookies etc the download speed on your end. I am on a broadband and for the first viewing found it slow and displeasing to wait for all the windows.
Re: LCD's: Consider your audience. If you want to get the best/biggest coverage, use the lowest common denominator (or the next step up). If you want to be known for the latest in tech and are not concerned about getting to the masses, do what you are doing, otherwise, use the KISS system.
Re: your 28.8 modem: How much of your work resides on your PC? Any of it at all there (which I assume all of it is there) will enhance via cookies etc the download speed on your end. I am on a broadband and for the first viewing found it slow and displeasing to wait for all the windows.
Re: LCD's: Consider your audience. If you want to get the best/biggest coverage, use the lowest common denominator (or the next step up). If you want to be known for the latest in tech and are not concerned about getting to the masses, do what you are doing, otherwise, use the KISS system.
Cdoc,
I hadn't taken cookies and such into consideration like you suggested, but I have seen it on other computers with dial up and I agree it does take a bit for the initial dowload, but after once when you visit again it downloads fine, but I have found that to be the case with alot of sites and assumed it was the norm.
But I do see your point about the lowest common denominator and if you do go to the site and check out our recorded interview that I and the co-founder did at http://members.aol.com/svbtitan/emuzik/emuzik.html youll get a better idea of what we are trying to go for here....the link is at the bottom of the page entitled Episode 1, some of our thoughts have changed since the recording but what we are shooting for with this comic is still pretty much the same.
Thanx,
I hadn't taken cookies and such into consideration like you suggested, but I have seen it on other computers with dial up and I agree it does take a bit for the initial dowload, but after once when you visit again it downloads fine, but I have found that to be the case with alot of sites and assumed it was the norm.
But I do see your point about the lowest common denominator and if you do go to the site and check out our recorded interview that I and the co-founder did at http://members.aol.com/svbtitan/emuzik/emuzik.html youll get a better idea of what we are trying to go for here....the link is at the bottom of the page entitled Episode 1, some of our thoughts have changed since the recording but what we are shooting for with this comic is still pretty much the same.
Thanx,
Thanks,
Thomas Clemmons
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Thomas:
As always, my comments are either worth what you pay for them or what you make of them. Obviously, I wasn't commenting on the work itself, but on the lack of organization in the site (as well as an ergonomic issue; my eyes are bad and fatigue easily. If you want people to read your site, you'll chose colors appropriate to the audience you want to read for).
But since you asked about LCD, I'll offer a general answer.
The LCD is whatever you set; however it is set, it decides in advance the maximum number of readers you will have. Text-only pages ensures the maximum possible number of readers. A more practical LCD stipulates a GUI-based browser, which eliminates readers who only use lynx (or other text-only browser).
Mail at Yahoo.com, for e.g., can be read, responded to with the foloowing browsers from experience: all versions of netscape, internet explorer, opera, mozilla, and even lynx. Therefore, it suited the designers to maintain a site to cater to the maximum number of possible users, including users who might be traveling in odd, faraway places (like me) from time to time, and who's only access might be via a dumb terminal.
Where you set the denominator will determine your readership. Even though I personally have used more kinds of computers than anyone has a right to use, I still favor simple technology (which is durable) over faddish tech, which is transitory at best and at worst means no one will be able to see your work after the tech it's based on is good and obsolete. With computers, that can happen in as little as five years (mTropolis, anyone?). Some of the limitations of faddish tech can be mitigated by constantly updating the work to reflect new standards et al, but IMHO this is more work than it's worth. And as time goes on, your output will accumulate faster than you think.
One of the challenges of innovative presentation has is to maintain that durability. A TIFF is a TIFF. A TIFF file produced in 1989 can be viewed without issue in 2002. Same with JPG or PNG or GIF. And a text file will always be a text file.
If you require flash (just for e.g.) I'm out. Flash doesn't run well enough on my platform to justify the hassle, even if that platform is an SGI Octane, running the latest version of IRIX (6.5.14m as of this writing). As of this moment, I don't personally see Flash as being or becoming a durable technology, since it doesn't offer any advantage over older formats for static imagery (animation and interactive formats are a different story, though). It is not currently search-visible by any search engine (including google, which is just about the best image-search engine out there), so text and graphics in a swf document is invisible to outside, casual searches.
Same for Shockwave. Same for Quark's Immedia. Same for mTropolis. &c.
Simple technology is durable technology. The history of computing is piled high with the detrius of faddy standards.
As always, my comments are either worth what you pay for them or what you make of them. Obviously, I wasn't commenting on the work itself, but on the lack of organization in the site (as well as an ergonomic issue; my eyes are bad and fatigue easily. If you want people to read your site, you'll chose colors appropriate to the audience you want to read for).
But since you asked about LCD, I'll offer a general answer.
The LCD is whatever you set; however it is set, it decides in advance the maximum number of readers you will have. Text-only pages ensures the maximum possible number of readers. A more practical LCD stipulates a GUI-based browser, which eliminates readers who only use lynx (or other text-only browser).
Mail at Yahoo.com, for e.g., can be read, responded to with the foloowing browsers from experience: all versions of netscape, internet explorer, opera, mozilla, and even lynx. Therefore, it suited the designers to maintain a site to cater to the maximum number of possible users, including users who might be traveling in odd, faraway places (like me) from time to time, and who's only access might be via a dumb terminal.
Where you set the denominator will determine your readership. Even though I personally have used more kinds of computers than anyone has a right to use, I still favor simple technology (which is durable) over faddish tech, which is transitory at best and at worst means no one will be able to see your work after the tech it's based on is good and obsolete. With computers, that can happen in as little as five years (mTropolis, anyone?). Some of the limitations of faddish tech can be mitigated by constantly updating the work to reflect new standards et al, but IMHO this is more work than it's worth. And as time goes on, your output will accumulate faster than you think.
One of the challenges of innovative presentation has is to maintain that durability. A TIFF is a TIFF. A TIFF file produced in 1989 can be viewed without issue in 2002. Same with JPG or PNG or GIF. And a text file will always be a text file.
If you require flash (just for e.g.) I'm out. Flash doesn't run well enough on my platform to justify the hassle, even if that platform is an SGI Octane, running the latest version of IRIX (6.5.14m as of this writing). As of this moment, I don't personally see Flash as being or becoming a durable technology, since it doesn't offer any advantage over older formats for static imagery (animation and interactive formats are a different story, though). It is not currently search-visible by any search engine (including google, which is just about the best image-search engine out there), so text and graphics in a swf document is invisible to outside, casual searches.
Same for Shockwave. Same for Quark's Immedia. Same for mTropolis. &c.
Simple technology is durable technology. The history of computing is piled high with the detrius of faddy standards.
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Weird. My post came up as anonymous.
Well, ah. I wrote it. There.
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Greg butts in to say: This is a continuing problem with this forum but should go away when version 2.0 is ready. Soon. Very soon, I hope. It's in testing here.
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Well, ah. I wrote it. There.
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Greg butts in to say: This is a continuing problem with this forum but should go away when version 2.0 is ready. Soon. Very soon, I hope. It's in testing here.
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Scott,
I understand your argument and to a certain extent I agree with you. The stuff that is already in place and working well in most cases should never be messed with and will in most cases always endure. But on the flip side of that coin had someone out there never thought to try to push the envelope and event new things, for good or bad, then we wouldn't even have these tried and true "older technology" anyway.
I understand too that formats such as text, jpeg, gif ,and the like will always be mainstays and be somewhat reliable most of the time, but as we all know there was a time when the internet didn't even support graphics of any sort. What I am saying is this, even though lots of people hate these new techs such as flash, Quark Immedia, and the rest people have to try them out, have to test the waters and see what happens, because if we don't how do we possibly hope to expand this great new play ground we've been given on the internet? And one day, just as most graphic formats are accepted without thought today, flash and other forward moving technology will be too.
About the text on the site im sorry, but the text is black text on grey background and to me and most of the people I have talked to on this issue it doesn't mess with thier eyes. Could you be a bit more specific about what pages please, if you don't want to mess with it I understand but in all honesty ill fix it if it screws with peoples eyes, Im very protective of my sight too so I fully understand.
It really has been a pleasure posting with you and I hope to see a post from you soon.
Thanx,
I understand your argument and to a certain extent I agree with you. The stuff that is already in place and working well in most cases should never be messed with and will in most cases always endure. But on the flip side of that coin had someone out there never thought to try to push the envelope and event new things, for good or bad, then we wouldn't even have these tried and true "older technology" anyway.
I understand too that formats such as text, jpeg, gif ,and the like will always be mainstays and be somewhat reliable most of the time, but as we all know there was a time when the internet didn't even support graphics of any sort. What I am saying is this, even though lots of people hate these new techs such as flash, Quark Immedia, and the rest people have to try them out, have to test the waters and see what happens, because if we don't how do we possibly hope to expand this great new play ground we've been given on the internet? And one day, just as most graphic formats are accepted without thought today, flash and other forward moving technology will be too.
About the text on the site im sorry, but the text is black text on grey background and to me and most of the people I have talked to on this issue it doesn't mess with thier eyes. Could you be a bit more specific about what pages please, if you don't want to mess with it I understand but in all honesty ill fix it if it screws with peoples eyes, Im very protective of my sight too so I fully understand.
It really has been a pleasure posting with you and I hope to see a post from you soon.
Thanx,
Thanks,
Thomas Clemmons
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Merlin,
Checked yer site out and I dig it, you have a gift man with computer art. you should check out http://www.gouw.nu
I haven't been able to check out your entire site, but I will for sure.
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Checked yer site out and I dig it, you have a gift man with computer art. you should check out http://www.gouw.nu
I haven't been able to check out your entire site, but I will for sure.
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Wow, reading this was like having a supernatural encounter. I was awed and a little scared (in a "holy" way) to see Greg's voice come out of someone else's post... wow... that intense experience really made my day.
Greg butts in to say: This is a continuing problem with this forum but should go away when version 2.0 is ready. Soon. Very soon, I hope. It's in testing here.
As for the issue of leaving the common denominator behind, well, I guess that all depends on how many people you want to come to your site. This issue isn't a new one in art or comics, though with the use of the web it isn't supprising to see it come up again. I for one love innovative stuff, including innovative navigation at the expense of ease of navigation... but there are limits, especially when I am hooked up from home where being online costs money and all...
Goodluck with your project!
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I for one liked the web page. I can see comics heading this way on the net of the future -- it had the feel of a video game, or at least an interactive movie. I'm interested to see how it will unfold.
As a rule, people don't tend to like popups because they remind them too much of advertisements. It didn't bug me, but if you find that this is a common complaint, you may want to defer to your audience and reconsider their use.
Chuck
As a rule, people don't tend to like popups because they remind them too much of advertisements. It didn't bug me, but if you find that this is a common complaint, you may want to defer to your audience and reconsider their use.
Chuck
Chuck,
Thanx for the support and yeah as a result of this very forum I've been sort of rethinking some of the things on the site and ,mainly, the comic. I'm gonna have to discuss this with my partner on this project, but what we may wind up doing is setting the comic up in a pretty regular straight forward HTML page and then for those who have fast connect speeds put an option to download the comic onto their hard drive so they can not only have a copy of there own, but can view the comic the way it's originally intended. I think that maybe, as far as downlaod waits and speed issues go, this may satisfy most people. Now as for the site itself I'm still considering all of your comments and when we revise the site next (probably after the first episode of the comic goes up) we will try to rework some of the problem areas.
Thanx for all of your comments and by all means feel free to post some more I've enjoyed reading them all.
Thanx for the support and yeah as a result of this very forum I've been sort of rethinking some of the things on the site and ,mainly, the comic. I'm gonna have to discuss this with my partner on this project, but what we may wind up doing is setting the comic up in a pretty regular straight forward HTML page and then for those who have fast connect speeds put an option to download the comic onto their hard drive so they can not only have a copy of there own, but can view the comic the way it's originally intended. I think that maybe, as far as downlaod waits and speed issues go, this may satisfy most people. Now as for the site itself I'm still considering all of your comments and when we revise the site next (probably after the first episode of the comic goes up) we will try to rework some of the problem areas.
Thanx for all of your comments and by all means feel free to post some more I've enjoyed reading them all.
Thanks,
Thomas Clemmons
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You know, since the internet has such a dynamic and fluid organizational structure, there's no reason why you can't have more then one layout for the same content. Most high quality computer programs have three or four ways to perform any particular action, through toolbars, menus, hotkeys, etc.
Just something to think about.
Just something to think about.
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Layout is a hard thing to do correctly, because to the person who designs a page, it's layout seems like the simplest thing possible, but to anyone who stumbles onto it, it feels like they're playing pin the tail on the donkey in a giant hamster maze of useless content.
For monthes I didn't read bob the angry flower because I couldn't find the comic. It just didn't occur to me that the green rectangles on the left were links.
For monthes I didn't read bob the angry flower because I couldn't find the comic. It just didn't occur to me that the green rectangles on the left were links.
Ok Jack,
That comic ya got a link to there is kick ass. Man o Man I love stuff like that, if any one wants to see what cool inventive online comic art can be check that link out. It even goes one up on Scott McCloud's paths method I think...
Yeah yer right about design, to the artist (because of being so close to the work) everything seems simple and then BAM people say it's not, but like I said I am working on that and coming up with new ideas and your comment on doing it several different ways is valid and I have thought about that, but like I said it probably won't be until the first episode of the comic is up that I change anything mainly because of time issues...
Thanx,
Thomas
That comic ya got a link to there is kick ass. Man o Man I love stuff like that, if any one wants to see what cool inventive online comic art can be check that link out. It even goes one up on Scott McCloud's paths method I think...
Yeah yer right about design, to the artist (because of being so close to the work) everything seems simple and then BAM people say it's not, but like I said I am working on that and coming up with new ideas and your comment on doing it several different ways is valid and I have thought about that, but like I said it probably won't be until the first episode of the comic is up that I change anything mainly because of time issues...
Thanx,
Thomas
Thanks,
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Yeah, Jack's work is incredible. A real path to success... though at what cost?
Sorry, just a little bit of sleep-loss humor... a really great site.
All this talk about pop up windows and such has made me rearrange my comics menu page so that no pop ups come up...
<A HREF ="http://www.gazorenzoku.com/art_menu_eng ... glish.html </A>
I finally found the command to get a link within a frame to replace the entire window, not just a frame within that window!! So, no pop ups needed anymore!! Check it out if you are curious. Write me if you want to know about the HTML coding I did, or if you have suggestions about how I could do it better, or if you want to tell me that my breath stinks......
vince
Sorry, just a little bit of sleep-loss humor... a really great site.
All this talk about pop up windows and such has made me rearrange my comics menu page so that no pop ups come up...
<A HREF ="http://www.gazorenzoku.com/art_menu_eng ... glish.html </A>
I finally found the command to get a link within a frame to replace the entire window, not just a frame within that window!! So, no pop ups needed anymore!! Check it out if you are curious. Write me if you want to know about the HTML coding I did, or if you have suggestions about how I could do it better, or if you want to tell me that my breath stinks......
vince
Vince Coleman
<A HREF = "http://www.vince-coleman.com" target=_blank> www.vince-coleman.com
comics and stuff...</A>
<A HREF = "http://www.vince-coleman.com" target=_blank> www.vince-coleman.com
comics and stuff...</A>
Well personally I really dont think pop ups are that bad. I use them for a useful purpose on the site, one as an email mock to make you beleive you are getting an email from a character in the story and another to access a mock news web site. Though I may cut this one out because I had originally thought id have readers access the comic from the palm pilot, but I think ill make a banner at the bottom of the news article that will access the comic. If I leave it where you access the comic from the palm pilot then by having a pop up for the news site you can just close the news site and be right back at the palm pilot and not have to wait for the graphics to load again after hitting the back button.
I do use them at other parts too when i have links to other sites, but this is designed this way to, in the end, keep the reader at my site...alot of sites do this, the goal after all is to keep you at their site.
Well ill stop now, thanx.
I do use them at other parts too when i have links to other sites, but this is designed this way to, in the end, keep the reader at my site...alot of sites do this, the goal after all is to keep you at their site.
Well ill stop now, thanx.
Thanks,
Thomas Clemmons
Thomas Clemmons
Damn, the reason I posted a while ago was to tell you that we have updated the emuzik part of our site and we have discussions with myself and the co-founder up in audio about what we plan on doing with the site and our motivation behind starting this in the first place, you should check it out. To get to the emuzik page go here:
http://members.aol.com/svbtitan/emuzik/emuzik.html
its the link entitled "Live from the Skunk Pit"
Ill have to tell ya the story behind the Skunk Pit later
Thanx again,
http://members.aol.com/svbtitan/emuzik/emuzik.html
its the link entitled "Live from the Skunk Pit"
Ill have to tell ya the story behind the Skunk Pit later
Thanx again,
Thanks,
Thomas Clemmons
Thomas Clemmons
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First thing that hit me was the opening graphic with a spelling error.
The source of my bliss is meAsured in ones and zeros
*coughs politely*
Then I went to the eComic part to see green. I had a bit of trouble with empty pop-ups I had to reload, but you heard that before:)
The profile of especially Micheal needs to be parsed again as the English there just doesn't "flow" and even makes little or no sense. Also.... Capitals are not invented for fun, they make it easier for the reader:)
My two cents: Take a look at Illiad or Sluggy and try to figure out why they got so infamous. Their sites are dead simple. but that only helps drawing ppl in.
The source of my bliss is meAsured in ones and zeros
*coughs politely*
Then I went to the eComic part to see green. I had a bit of trouble with empty pop-ups I had to reload, but you heard that before:)
The profile of especially Micheal needs to be parsed again as the English there just doesn't "flow" and even makes little or no sense. Also.... Capitals are not invented for fun, they make it easier for the reader:)
My two cents: Take a look at Illiad or Sluggy and try to figure out why they got so infamous. Their sites are dead simple. but that only helps drawing ppl in.