WHY won't you writers look for local talent?
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dbppres
WHY won't you writers look for local talent?
seriously, do the legwork, otherwise, don't say that you're serious about a project.
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JMeinhardt
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And what exactly do you mean by "local talent" or "leg work"? That we should be trying to find the nearest art school and hope there is a comics creator that happens to want a script?? Or should we just go door-to-door asking people if they are good artists? How about we use a COMIC CREATOR'S FORUM to connect with other artists and creators so we can share ideas and try to make great comics?!
What on Earth is supposed to be gained from coming on here and griping about some way people aren't being "serious" enough? What if I wanted to hire you? I'm not from Fresno, so I shouldn't. I've hired and collaborate daily with people all around the world and it is a beautiful thing. Don't disrespect other creators for no reason.
What on Earth is supposed to be gained from coming on here and griping about some way people aren't being "serious" enough? What if I wanted to hire you? I'm not from Fresno, so I shouldn't. I've hired and collaborate daily with people all around the world and it is a beautiful thing. Don't disrespect other creators for no reason.
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mikekennedy
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Re: WHY won't you writers look for local talent?
scorned again?dbppres wrote:seriously, do the legwork, otherwise, don't say that you're serious about a project.
anyway whats local talent?
City?
Region?
country?
Continent!?
its a digital world man. but as with the $10 thread, you need to maybe elaborate on what you are on about instead of whining on a forum without providing any links to your work or anything substantial to your argument.
like the $10 thread your intent on riling creators with vague-ass comments
just dont.
SHyness
I think the reason writers are more comfortable searching online is for two reasons. One, it's far more convenient and you reach for more people through the internet. Some people don't have comic shops near their home or at the very least a public forum they trust to find an artist. The truth is that there isn't any dedicated way to contact artists except through internet forums like this one, so not only is the internet more convenient it is more trustworthy.
Two, the writers are shy haha. I can imagine that many use the internet because of the guarantee of responding through text, while in other forums it's expected of you to leave a phone number. I don't really blame writers for either reason and I don't see it as a lack of dedication, just more trust in the internet forum. From my experience all other "local" forums are a mish-mash of requests and more likely or not an artist will not look at a high-school or college's billboard in order to find a creative partner. Maybe I'm wrong and there is a chance to connect, but I feel the chance of that connecting is relatively small. The only exception I can think of is a comic book shop or an art school, but not everyone has one of those near them and not all art schools and comic stores offer the same opportunities.
I truly feel that the internet is the superior way for artist/writer matching and I wouldn't discourage writers for looking for artists on here. Certainly I do digress that many of them are perhaps too confident in their skills considering that they're working on their first projects but that just means we have to better inform them on decorum and humility in a world where artists are hard to come by. The truth is that most writers are unaware that paying money is the only guarantee of finding an artist for a specific project, I know when I first entered this forum I believed idealistically that artists and writers would have equal footing, that is not so. Artists have the ability to chose while writers do not unless they pay. It is a sad situation but although working for free makes sense in theory it really doesn't work for many artists and newcomers wouldn't know that coming into our world. All I say is to be easy on the newcomers!
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Ruyei/Robert
Two, the writers are shy haha. I can imagine that many use the internet because of the guarantee of responding through text, while in other forums it's expected of you to leave a phone number. I don't really blame writers for either reason and I don't see it as a lack of dedication, just more trust in the internet forum. From my experience all other "local" forums are a mish-mash of requests and more likely or not an artist will not look at a high-school or college's billboard in order to find a creative partner. Maybe I'm wrong and there is a chance to connect, but I feel the chance of that connecting is relatively small. The only exception I can think of is a comic book shop or an art school, but not everyone has one of those near them and not all art schools and comic stores offer the same opportunities.
I truly feel that the internet is the superior way for artist/writer matching and I wouldn't discourage writers for looking for artists on here. Certainly I do digress that many of them are perhaps too confident in their skills considering that they're working on their first projects but that just means we have to better inform them on decorum and humility in a world where artists are hard to come by. The truth is that most writers are unaware that paying money is the only guarantee of finding an artist for a specific project, I know when I first entered this forum I believed idealistically that artists and writers would have equal footing, that is not so. Artists have the ability to chose while writers do not unless they pay. It is a sad situation but although working for free makes sense in theory it really doesn't work for many artists and newcomers wouldn't know that coming into our world. All I say is to be easy on the newcomers!
Sincerely
Ruyei/Robert
Logic
I think what he's trying to say is that before going on the internet and posting an artist want ad that you should go to some local forum like a bulletin board or simple ask around an art school or something like that. Honestly I think that method would be far less effective, and what's the problem with asking for an artist. Honestly I feel Dbpress is tired of all the writer looking for artist ads.
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Simple fact is before the rise of the internet where would we have found an artist? we wouldn't simply, it just wouldn't happen. I've learnt what i have done through these forums, through trial and error and it's only now 18 months on that i feel more sure in my knowledge. I now have a clear goal and i know how to achieve it. Before coming on this forum i would have just been clutching at straws in the dark.
I started with the hope of meeting someone in london, it's a big city, of which i'm sure that there are several artists that would be great for my project, but do they use this forum? no, they have their work come to them.
I knew the level of skill and detail i wanted and after all the ads ive posted and all the DA portfolio's i've looked through....Steph my artist is beyond anything i could have hoped for and i've not found anyone near good enough. That's just my high expectations.
The indie comic scene has exploded in recent years and brought down barriers for people like me, 30 something's that had no direction in life, no ambition just an embryo of an idea. Does it matter i got shit grades? does it matter if i dont have a degree in script writing?
If you write great comics, who cares?
I started with the hope of meeting someone in london, it's a big city, of which i'm sure that there are several artists that would be great for my project, but do they use this forum? no, they have their work come to them.
I knew the level of skill and detail i wanted and after all the ads ive posted and all the DA portfolio's i've looked through....Steph my artist is beyond anything i could have hoped for and i've not found anyone near good enough. That's just my high expectations.
The indie comic scene has exploded in recent years and brought down barriers for people like me, 30 something's that had no direction in life, no ambition just an embryo of an idea. Does it matter i got shit grades? does it matter if i dont have a degree in script writing?
If you write great comics, who cares?
Agreed Darksho, i don't like being so blunt like yourself but your estimation is the same as mine none the less."dbppress" is a troll with a bad attitude and terrible art skills. I would never bash a person's skills but in this case, the art reflects the attitude.
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Rob Lefebvre
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The main question is why does it matter where the artist and writer are from as long as they work well together? Assuming that this argument works both way (artist should only work with local writers) than if I am an artist am I supposed to sit there hoping a writer will approach me about work? I understand this same poster had a similar post about why writers can't pay page rates. What if I am an artist working in a poor neighbor hood? should I expect to not get based on that fact?
I myself am a comic book writer and do not live near any type of art school. I live in a small town surrounded by slightly other larger towns. By this logic I am screwed if I can only work locally. Should the same logic of where I live determine the publications I am allowed to be published in as well?
It sounds to me from both threads that the poster is not getting work and rather than accept that is likely something about him specifically decides to take it out on the writers.
Bottom line: if you truly feel people should only work locally you have no business on this forum as you are not likely to find someone local here.
ALSO this forum is call "Seeking Comics Artist/Writers if you have an issue with that take it somewhere else.
I myself am a comic book writer and do not live near any type of art school. I live in a small town surrounded by slightly other larger towns. By this logic I am screwed if I can only work locally. Should the same logic of where I live determine the publications I am allowed to be published in as well?
It sounds to me from both threads that the poster is not getting work and rather than accept that is likely something about him specifically decides to take it out on the writers.
Bottom line: if you truly feel people should only work locally you have no business on this forum as you are not likely to find someone local here.
ALSO this forum is call "Seeking Comics Artist/Writers if you have an issue with that take it somewhere else.
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dbppres
well, look at the record of how many writers' posts don't even receive a mere response, just for an artist to bother to say no thanks?
Ruyei,
i'm sorry for giving a bad impression about my first statement, but in my experiences, if they are TRULY serious, then they will exhaust EVERY means of solicitation for their project, which for all intents and purposes, is just to ensure that they can get an artist more quickly. otherwise, too many of them just bump their heads against the wall, and as you've seen yourself, just leave after 1 posting of an ad, instead of thinking of a better way to appeal to an artist's interest.The truth is that most writers are unaware that paying money is the only guarantee of finding an artist for a specific project. this is why i started the $10/page thread, for the sake of making newcomers aware of such conditional expectations of collaboration.
i don't see why the internet is any more trustworthy/effective than word-of-mouth, or locally-made requests for talent. if the outcome will be the same, frankly, almost NONE of a writer's dream projects get done, without offering extortion-like page rates, to an artist, that may or may not rip a writer off, just the same.
which brings me to another point of local advertising. because, if you meet someone in person, then if they rip you off, you'll know who to avoid, and spread the word about their dishonest personal behavior.
Rob, i didn't limit the scope of solicitation, to an art school. i said a local H.S., University, or community college, with art classes still available.
Darkersho, are you really that much of a senile little brat? you just suddenly forget about the THREATS that you made at me? i hope that people avoid you, because of your childish attitudes towards people, if they don't "play nice" with you. another thing, QUIT hijacking threads, with your spamming.
Naff, because of the two factors that reflect a negative sense of motivation on the part of the writers (i.e., won't get off their butts, won't pay page rates, no matter how small of an offering), then how serious are they, really, with those 2 strikes against their first-impressions, to artists?
Vic, how much of a priority do you make of a pitched idea? if you don't have it on the front burner, then waiting around, for extensive periods of time-possibly years-shouldn't be something that should factor in to the end goal of a project. simply put, none of us has forever to live, so why wait and wait for something, if it supposedly means something to you?
Ruyei,
i'm sorry for giving a bad impression about my first statement, but in my experiences, if they are TRULY serious, then they will exhaust EVERY means of solicitation for their project, which for all intents and purposes, is just to ensure that they can get an artist more quickly. otherwise, too many of them just bump their heads against the wall, and as you've seen yourself, just leave after 1 posting of an ad, instead of thinking of a better way to appeal to an artist's interest.The truth is that most writers are unaware that paying money is the only guarantee of finding an artist for a specific project. this is why i started the $10/page thread, for the sake of making newcomers aware of such conditional expectations of collaboration.
i don't see why the internet is any more trustworthy/effective than word-of-mouth, or locally-made requests for talent. if the outcome will be the same, frankly, almost NONE of a writer's dream projects get done, without offering extortion-like page rates, to an artist, that may or may not rip a writer off, just the same.
which brings me to another point of local advertising. because, if you meet someone in person, then if they rip you off, you'll know who to avoid, and spread the word about their dishonest personal behavior.
Rob, i didn't limit the scope of solicitation, to an art school. i said a local H.S., University, or community college, with art classes still available.
Darkersho, are you really that much of a senile little brat? you just suddenly forget about the THREATS that you made at me? i hope that people avoid you, because of your childish attitudes towards people, if they don't "play nice" with you. another thing, QUIT hijacking threads, with your spamming.
Naff, because of the two factors that reflect a negative sense of motivation on the part of the writers (i.e., won't get off their butts, won't pay page rates, no matter how small of an offering), then how serious are they, really, with those 2 strikes against their first-impressions, to artists?
Vic, how much of a priority do you make of a pitched idea? if you don't have it on the front burner, then waiting around, for extensive periods of time-possibly years-shouldn't be something that should factor in to the end goal of a project. simply put, none of us has forever to live, so why wait and wait for something, if it supposedly means something to you?
What a loser...
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Dedicated loser...
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Rob Lefebvre
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Seeing as I am over 18 I do not think I will be welcome at my local high school trying to recruit art students. Seems to make a lot more sense to look online on a forum that only has the purpose of connecting artist and writers.
Maybe I misunderstood the Seeking Comics Artist/Writers forum. Guess I should ignore this as a resource and use Craigslist. Or as you suggested I am sure I will be welcome to tool around different schools that I am not taking classes at. I am sure security will have no issue with that.
Maybe I misunderstood the Seeking Comics Artist/Writers forum. Guess I should ignore this as a resource and use Craigslist. Or as you suggested I am sure I will be welcome to tool around different schools that I am not taking classes at. I am sure security will have no issue with that.
Understanding
I think what dbpress is trying to say that in CONJUNCTION with looking online you should try local options as well if they are available. Thanks for responding to me by the way dbpress! I know I'm late to the party but thanks! I do disagree with you though, I feel the nets are far superior to local channels. I do agree with you though that if one does have a comic store or belongs to a college or school that has a bulletin of some sort that it is definitely worth it to try those mediums. However I do agree with other posters that many schools don't allow you entrance or resources unless you belong and that not everyone has comic shop or other community resource near them. Going to a community college myself I highly doubt that I can find an artist of some sort through that resource sadly, but I also agree that if one has a pet project that they absolutely MUST work on then there are worse things you can do. There are so many writers who simply show up once to the forums and never come back afterwards due to their projects being rejected. I agree that if they are truly dedicated then they should exhaust even the slimmest options. However I personally feel that these new writers should preform the functions of a seller of their skills. What I mean is that they should become slaves to the artist's wills, providing multiple options as well as offering to work on a project of the artists choice. My first artist I acquired through simply accepting a position as a translator of bad English for an already completed comic and with his permission I improved the plot while I was at it. The comic still sucked but the artist was impressed and I did many more comics, mostly gangster comics since that's what the artist liked. From there I was able to have examples of my work to attract more artists and the rest is pain and perseverance, something that resulted from pure luck and the grasping of an opportunity that actually worked out! I have always taken every opportunity I could and many of them didn't work out! In the end though I disagree with dbpress on one point, the writers here should not just go local or need to pay for an artist, they must think like desperate animals and take whatever project they can get to start out! I think it is natural though that some writers just aren't dedicated to the craft and fall by the way-side. It just isn't for everyone, and all I can wish is that someday people find what they want to do. I do agree with dbpress that we as veterans should educate the newbies when we can as to the options that lie before them. If just a small fraction follow our advice and get hooked on scripting, then we have done the world a service. It does make me sad though that many writers simply give up on the craft after one try, shouldn't this great craft deserve many tries? But then again I'm partial to scripting, that is me. Others are other people, I accept this.